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From: Jim Homme
Date: Mar 18, 2019 9:32AM

Hi,
JAWS uses INSERT+SHIFT+F1.



=========Jim Homme
Digital Accessibility
Bender Consulting Services
412-787-8567
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From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 1:53 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Placeholder

It is easy with Jaws to see the attribute of a formfield )just map display advanced element information to a keyboard combination in the Jaws keyboard manager for your browsers, (this is explained on http://www.bats.fyi).
Once you have, focus the element with Jaws running, press the keyboard combiantion and check if it has a placeholder attribute )the attributes are listed alphabetically so it is A screen reader should not allow the vaue of the placeholder attribute as the accesible name of a form field if it has visually disappeared, that is a bug, and a serious one at that.



On 3/12/19, Yoandry Collazo < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> Hi, I'm not an expert, I hope this helps you.
>
>
> 1.
>
> Placeholders
>
> According to HTML5 specifications
> <https://developer.paciellogroup.com/blog/2011/02/html5-accessibility-
> chops-the-placeholder-attribute/>,
> The placeholder
> <https://www.w3.org/TR/html/sec-forms.html#the-placeholder-attribute>
> attribute
> should not be used as an alternative to a label
> <https://www.w3.org/TR/html/sec-forms.html#the-label-element>.
>
> Placeholder text disappears when a text box receives focus:
>
> -
>
> For keyboard users, this can be problematic
>
> <http://mentalized.net/journal/2010/08/05/dont_use_placeholder_text_as_labels/>;
> as they must read ahead of current focus when filling in forms.
> -
>
> Users, especially those with memory impairments will not have the text
> label available for reference at the same time as filling in a field.
>
> Other issues with placeholders
>
> -
>
> Users may think a text field is already filled in and skip over it. Data
> suggests
>
> <http://www.uxmatters.com/mt/archives/2010/03/dont-put-hints-inside-text-boxes-in-web-forms.php>;
> that this can be an issue.
> -
>
> If the placeholder hint text is useful information it should be
> available while the user is filling in the field.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 3:01 PM Eilana Benish < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> wrote:
>
>> hello, my name is Eilana from Israel. Currently, I work with
>> organizations required to make their websites accessible in Israel.
>>
>> We are working on developing a new website.
>>
>> We have a very serious disagreement about the place-holder as a
>> method to label forms fields.
>>
>> I know that the popular screen reader reads the place holder. But
>> this is mey not be accessible to users with cognitive disabilities.
>>
>> The development team thought otherwise and implemented the place holder.
>> When I told them to change to standard labels – I got the answer that
>> using the Placeholder is WCAG 2 compliant.
>>
>> I have also tried to find information on the W3C accessibility
>> resources – Without success.
>>
>> So, is the place holder WCAG 2 compliant
>>
>> And what the WCAG 2 working group has to say about that topic?
>>
>>
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