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From: Detlev Fischer
Date: May 16, 2019 12:22AM

One example where current page of main nav is not linked in site wide navigation is https://accessuse.eu/en/ <https://accessuse.eu/en/>

> Am 15.05.2019 um 23:48 schrieb cb < <EMAIL REMOVED> >:
>
> Does anybody know of a site we could look at now that takes this approach,
> neutering the link to the current page in sitewide navigation? I've been
> looking for examples and have come up empty.
>
> Caroline
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 4:12 PM Birkir R. Gunnarsson <
> <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
>> This is where aria-current="page" would be handy, jut put it on the
>> link and the screen reader will announce "current page".
>> If there are visual cues that the links point to the current page yu
>> can make it a WCAG 1.1.1 or 1.3.1 requirement (1.1.1 if it is an icon,
>> 1.3.1 if it is communicated through styling or formatting), that, or
>> that the links be neutered by removing their href attributes, but if
>> not it's a screen reader usability recommendation.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/13/19, Lucy Greco < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>> Hello:
>>> Let me clarify a little. I have no issue with same-page links. All the
>>> aforementioned reasons I agree with and would always encourage.
>>>
>>> I'm talking about those links that, when clicked, only refresh the page
>> you
>>> are on. So, for example, you are reading an article about the health care
>>> system, and in the body of the article there is a link to the article,
>> and
>>> in the "Recently posted" footer of the article, there is a link to the
>>> article, and in the menu there is also is a link to the article. Each of
>>> these links will refresh the page and sometimes just go back to the top
>> of
>>> the page, and then the user wonders why the link did not work.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lucy
>>>
>>> Lucia Greco
>>> Web Accessibility Evangelist
>>> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
>>> University of California, Berkeley
>>> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
>>> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>>> Follow me on twitter @accessaces
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 8:21 AM Wolfgang Berndorfer <
>>> <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think, In-side links can improve usability not only for people with
>>>> cognitive disabilities. TOC and footmarks have already been mentioned.
>>>>
>>>> What more? Reading a web side is not like reading a novel from the
>>>> beginning
>>>> to the end. When I seek information on a side, I first try to get an
>>>> overview by checking available headings. If the heading text seems
>>>> helpful,
>>>> I read the subcontent. This strategy is helpful for all and highly
>>>> recommendable for people, who use screen readers, like me.
>>>>
>>>> If in the subcontent I inquire, topics are contained, which already have
>>>> been discussed on the same side, it's very helpful, when they are
>> linked.
>>>>
>>>> Complementary:
>>>> a) Metainfos for links like In-Side-Links have lately been discussed
>> here
>>>> under the thread "Meta Infos necessary in links". (Sorry: Didn't find
>> any
>>>> direct online resource on webaim for the thread.).
>>>> b) UX is not the same as usability. The user experience is too often bad
>>>> usability. No helpful headings …
>>>> Wolfgang
>>>>
>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] Im
>> Auftrag
>>>> von James A.
>>>> Gesendet: Samstag, 11. Mai 2019 09:22
>>>> An: WebAIM Discussion List
>>>> Betreff: Re: [WebAIM] links to the page they are on
>>>>
>>>> Hi Lucy
>>>>
>>>> In-page links can be useful in some cases for people with cognitive
>>>> disabilities. For example, table of contents and links to sections can
>>>> help
>>>> with orientating users and avoid unnecessary reading. The problem can
>>>> occur
>>>> if there is no means of returning to the original location on the page.
>>>> The
>>>> UK government website uses this approach well eg
>>>>
>>>>
>> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/accessibility-requirements-for-public-sector-web
>>>> sites-and-apps#contents
>>>> <
>> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/accessibility-requirements-for-public-sector-websites-and-apps#contents
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another useful use case for many users is when there is a footnote, for
>>>> example to small print or terms and conditions which are frequently
>>>> indicated by *.
>>>>
>>>> I consider that 2.4.4 Links Purpose covers the need to ensure all users
>>>> understand the purpose of the link is to move within the page.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>>
>>>> Abi James
>>>>
>>>> University of Southampton
>>>> Abilitynet & British Dyslexia Association
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On 11 May 2019, at 01:09, Patrick H. Lauke
>>>> < <EMAIL REMOVED> <mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> >> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 11/05/2019 01:06, Lucy Greco wrote:
>>>> thanks for the quick reply so the cognative working group did not
>> think
>>>> this was a problem? interesting
>>>>
>>>> I can't speak for the group, but I can say that they did not put forward
>>>> any
>>>> SCs that made it into WCAG concerning this particular issue.
>>>>
>>>> P
>>>> --
>>>> Patrick H. Lauke
>>>>
>>>>
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