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From: Diana Silveira
Date: Jun 8, 2019 6:40AM

Hi Mike,

Regarding https://userway.org/, I have a library that recently asked me to
include it. While its definitely not a magic bullet, and we have been
working hard to truly identify and fix and accessibility issues on their
site. I am leaning toward installing it, it gives users who a few nice
user-friendly options if they don't have other software on their computer.

I would like to hear what others are doing as well.

Sincerely,
Diana Silveira
<EMAIL REMOVED>
Novare Library Services

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> 1. Re: Question about Accessibility plugins (Birkir R. Gunnarsson)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Birkir R. Gunnarsson" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
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> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 15:04:16 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Question about Accessibility plugins
> Check out the Accessibility overlays don't work website:
> https://overlaysdontwork.com/
> karl Groves also has multiple articles on the topic and I agree with them.
> You can Google "karl groves accessibility overlays"
>
> Looking at this particular homepage I notice they exaggerate the fines
> levied under ADA lawsuits ($50000 for first, $100000 for subsequent,
> I've never heard those numbers anywhere, under the ADA you cannot
> award damages, only fees, you can under some state regulations,
> particularly California, but those are not mentioned on the site).
> Also the alt text for the accessibility statistics is inserted kind of
> inside an unrelated sentence, I would fail that under 1.3.2 WCAG
> content order, the site itself is not perfect.
> It also way overdoses on ARIA landmark regions, though I would flag it
> as a usability concern, not a fail.
>
> The big question, if this is an overlay that you purchse. Is the
> vendor willing to assume full responsibility and indemnify your
> website team from any litigation claims?
> That is real accessibility guarantee.
> Another approach would be to install the plugin then run a full
> automated and manual accessibility testing of the content with the
> plugin installed. That will ultimately give you a state of
> accessibility of the particular site using the particular plugin.
> Again, if you are paying for it, that might be part of the contract,
> any issues discovered through the process would have to be remedied by
> the plugin provider at no cost to you.
>
>
>
> On 6/6/19, Mike Barlow < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > I'm working with a company who is developing a site (using Wordpress) and
> > their developers installed the "Userway Web Accessibility Widgit
> > <https://userway.org/>" and wanted my opinion of it.
> > Now I have my own opinions of "magic bullets" that you can just "drop
> this
> > in and your site is accessible", and I've seen a couple of them over the
> > years and have yet to find one that I would include in any site I was
> > developing.
> > I also did some searching for feedback on the Userway widgit - one from
> "A
> > Bright Clear Web
> > <
> https://www.abrightclearweb.com/the-userway-web-accessibility-widget-does-it-boost-accessibility/
> >"
> > had both good and bad comments about it, and there was even a question on
> > Quora
> > <
> https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-think-of-accessibility-widget-like-userway-org-Do-they-help-small-sites-to-be-adhere-with-accessibility-laws
> >
> > about it.
> >
> > But I want to get some real expert opinions from this group before I tell
> > the customer what I think.
> >
> > So, anyone out there with any experience (both good and bad) about the
> > Userway widgit???
> >
> > TIA.
> > *Mike Barlow*
> > Development Manager
> > Web Accessibility/Section 508 SME
> >
> > Lancaster, Pa 17601
> > Office: 732.835-7557
> > Cell: 732.682.8226
> > e-mail: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > > > > > > > > >
>
>
> --
> Work hard. Have fun. Make history.
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Mike Barlow < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 10:13:48 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Question about Accessibility plugins
> Thanks Birkir, good info!
>
> *Mike Barlow*
> Development Manager
> Web Accessibility/Section 508 SME
>
> Lancaster, Pa 17601
> Office: 732.835-7557
> Cell: 732.682.8226
> e-mail: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 3:04 PM Birkir R. Gunnarsson <
> <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > Check out the Accessibility overlays don't work website:
> > https://overlaysdontwork.com/
> > karl Groves also has multiple articles on the topic and I agree with
> them.
> > You can Google "karl groves accessibility overlays"
> >
> > Looking at this particular homepage I notice they exaggerate the fines
> > levied under ADA lawsuits ($50000 for first, $100000 for subsequent,
> > I've never heard those numbers anywhere, under the ADA you cannot
> > award damages, only fees, you can under some state regulations,
> > particularly California, but those are not mentioned on the site).
> > Also the alt text for the accessibility statistics is inserted kind of
> > inside an unrelated sentence, I would fail that under 1.3.2 WCAG
> > content order, the site itself is not perfect.
> > It also way overdoses on ARIA landmark regions, though I would flag it
> > as a usability concern, not a fail.
> >
> > The big question, if this is an overlay that you purchse. Is the
> > vendor willing to assume full responsibility and indemnify your
> > website team from any litigation claims?
> > That is real accessibility guarantee.
> > Another approach would be to install the plugin then run a full
> > automated and manual accessibility testing of the content with the
> > plugin installed. That will ultimately give you a state of
> > accessibility of the particular site using the particular plugin.
> > Again, if you are paying for it, that might be part of the contract,
> > any issues discovered through the process would have to be remedied by
> > the plugin provider at no cost to you.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/6/19, Mike Barlow < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > > I'm working with a company who is developing a site (using Wordpress)
> and
> > > their developers installed the "Userway Web Accessibility Widgit
> > > <https://userway.org/>" and wanted my opinion of it.
> > > Now I have my own opinions of "magic bullets" that you can just "drop
> > this
> > > in and your site is accessible", and I've seen a couple of them over
> the
> > > years and have yet to find one that I would include in any site I was
> > > developing.
> > > I also did some searching for feedback on the Userway widgit - one from
> > "A
> > > Bright Clear Web
> > > <
> >
> https://www.abrightclearweb.com/the-userway-web-accessibility-widget-does-it-boost-accessibility/
> > >"
> > > had both good and bad comments about it, and there was even a question
> on
> > > Quora
> > > <
> >
> https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-think-of-accessibility-widget-like-userway-org-Do-they-help-small-sites-to-be-adhere-with-accessibility-laws
> > >
> > > about it.
> > >
> > > But I want to get some real expert opinions from this group before I
> tell
> > > the customer what I think.
> > >
> > > So, anyone out there with any experience (both good and bad) about the
> > > Userway widgit???
> > >
> > > TIA.
> > > *Mike Barlow*
> > > Development Manager
> > > Web Accessibility/Section 508 SME
> > >
> > > Lancaster, Pa 17601
> > > Office: 732.835-7557
> > > Cell: 732.682.8226
> > > e-mail: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Work hard. Have fun. Make history.
> > > > > > > > > >
>
> > > > >


--
Diana Silveira