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From: Steve Green
Date: May 13, 2021 8:39AM

I would not usually be concerned about differences in how JAWS and NVDA read documents, but I would be concerned if they are announcing different numbers of columns in a table. That suggests that the table might be coded incorrectly or perhaps there is a hidden column. It might be to do with merged cells, but I don't recall coming across anything like it, so I would definitely investigate.

Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd


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The issues are more related to the structural tagging. An example of language that identifies "defects." Oh that word gets me too!

Example 1. The table information announced by the screen readers JAWS and NVDA differs. On page 2 (6 of 40 pages), Screen reading software does not announce the correct table information for users of screen reading software. i.e. Screen reading software JAWS announces table with "8 columns and 15 rows" while NVDA screen reader announces table with "9 columns and 15 rows".

All of your responses are in line with what I'm thinking. The problem is this particular Agency has hired auditors for compliance (who by the way do not give solutions only identify problems) and whoever set up the criteria obviously didn't consider any of these important issues that make the software unique in the way it reads the tags. There are many things that can be accomplished so that both do the right thing. But they are different and I find it impossible to remediate so that both do the same thing all the time.

Thanks for corroborating!
Ilana

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 10:13 AM < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> If I am not mistaken (it's been a long time), I think both can be
> personalize such as changing keystrokes or add new ones, changing some
> of the default languages, etc. It's not something you can find easily
> but with a few keystrokes to get to the settings will display a wealth
> of options you can adjust. Both are different but I believe JAWS is
> more adjustable than NVDA. Then again, it's been a long while so that
> may have changed.
>
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> That's sort of like trying to get the Windows and Mac OS to have
> exactly the same user experience. Screen reader developers have their
> own opinions on how things should be voiced and users often gravitate
> to one or the other based on those differences. While both screen
> readers have extensive options to personalize the reading experience,
> some of the voicing for interactions is essentially hard coded and cannot be changed by the user.
>
> --Steve Noble
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> Hello all,
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> I am wondering if it is possible to have NVDA and JAWS always read the
> same way. One of our government clients is using both to audit
> documents and we're having a hard time marrying the two to read things
> exactly the same way.
>
> I have my explanations but wanted to get some professional opinions
> from this community. Any insight is appreciated.
>
> Ilana
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