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Re: Query regarding scrolling Issue when accessing webpage with browse mode

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From: Mallory
Date: Aug 11, 2021 4:07AM

Yeah NVDA later made it that you don't need a separate plugin to highlight where the cursor/focus is, but I just never removed mine.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 11:33 PM, Andrews, David B (DEED) wrote:
> NVDA has settings, already there to highlight different focus modes as
> you go through things.
>
> Dave
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> Yeah, the pages scroll. Although maybe it matters that I have some
> visual stuff set "on" in JAWS and NVDA: I see highlights with JAWS and
> I think I have an old add-on to NVDA which does the same (it's good for
> demoing).
>
> Although it's not uncommon for the virtual focus to go offscreen a bit,
> but if I keep going the page will scroll. This sometimes happens to me
> with regular keyboard focus too, but always eventually I get a page
> scroll.
>
> cheers,
> _mallory
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> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, at 8:39 PM, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
> > Does the page scroll if you use only arrow keys and screen reader
> > shortcut keys (like h, b, f etc.) to navigate a page?
> > When I demo something with a screen reader I always seem to require
> > using the tab key to navigate to a focusable element I am
> > demonstrating, else people often don't see my location on the page and
> > sometimes don't even see the content I am navigating (the first is
> > obviously just focus outline, but the second suggests to me that
> > virtual buffer scrolling that does not involve moving the actual focus
> > with the tab key is totally independent of the browser).
> >
> >
> > On 8/3/21, Mallory < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > > Hm, but * web pages * do scroll with browse mode in JAWS, NVDA and
> > > Orca (and I recall back when Firefox did NOT scroll for Orca...
> > > people on the Orca mailing list asked about it and eventually it got
> > > fixed, though I think the fix had to be on Mozilla's side...).
> > >
> > > But I'm not sure if moving around a data grid has the same trigger
> > > as a page scroll, so it sounds like Birkir is right about why it's
> > > not scrolling: the browser doesn't "see" the virtual cursor in that,
> > > meaning the widget can't react.
> > >
> > > _mallory
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, at 6:20 PM, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
> > >> A screen reader createsw an off-screen model (aka virtual buffer)
> > >> with the page content. In browse mode you are solely interacting
> > >> with that content so you are not sending events to the webpage (not
> > >> unless yuou do something in the virtual buffer that submits an
> > >> event to the page, e.g. pressing the tab key to change the
> > >> programmatic focus or interact with/click on an element).
> > >>
> > >> There were ideas about a more interactive browse mode (e.g. the
> > >> ARIA
> > >> 1.1 proposed implementation of implementing a feed using the feed
> > >> and article roles) but I believe that feature was never supported
> > >> by screen reader vendors.
> > >>
> > >> On 8/3/21, Gupta, Gaurav k via WebAIM-Forum
> > >> < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > >> > Hello Experts,
> > >> >
> > >> > Need help in understanding the issue.
> > >> >
> > >> > Using JAWS browse mode if I am trying to read the data from a
> > >> > grid then auto scrolling is not happening.
> > >> >
> > >> > Can anyone suggest what could be the reason?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards
> > >> > Gaurav
> > >> >
> > > > >