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From: Sandy Feldman
Date: May 26, 2022 9:29AM

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<p>Douglass,</p>
<p>Really good point about the skipped heading levels - thank you. <b=
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<p>I just "WAVED" both versions and there are 10 alerts on the
AccessiBe one and 0 on the AccessiBe free one. I can use that.<br>
</p>
<p>My feeling - like yours - is that the site doesn't need an
overlay, even if overlays worked. I would like it gone. I worked
very hard on making it accessible. I had lots of testing by the
IMAGE community. I think it works.<br>
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<p>Some errors have slipped in as it's been updated by the client,
but better to review the site and fix them than to add an overlay!<=
br>
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Sandy
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 2022-05-26 11:04 a.m., Hayman,
Douglass wrote:<br>
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<pre class=3D"moz-quote-pre" wrap=3D"">Sandy,

What exactly is the overlay offering or enhancing for people with disabil=
ities?

Would a full time screen reader user turn her/his screen reader off to us=
e the overlay one instead? Would they even know what the keyboard comman=
ds are that this other screen reader uses?

Since the page has no animation is there a need to offer something to sto=
p animation, especially as an overlay only works on the web site where it=
is installed and not universally across all web pages?

Can't the user just make use of Command/Control plus or minus to increase=
font size on their own for all sites and not just this site? If they re=
gularly need to change fonts, color schemes, spacing and so on would they=
only do that on your client's site and not on all web sites they visit? =
Wouldn't they buy and use such assistive technology to do those actions =
on all web sites?

The web site doesn't appear to have seizure inducing content so toggling =
that on/off wouldn't do anything.

Is the web site not already navigable using only the keyboard or does the=
overlay provide an enhancement to that?

On quick check with WAVE and ANDI the heading levels get called out as th=
ere is the unconventional use of H5 tags on those horizontal line separat=
ors, called out for skipping heading levels.

What do the ADHD and cognitive elements of the overlay truly do?

Overall, what does the overlay provide that isn't already there? With th=
e overlay removed, who is limited in access due to the absence?

Doug Hayman
IT Accessibility Coordinator
Information Technology
Olympic College
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] - [WebAIM] AccessiBe! Help!!

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hey all,

I'd really appreciate your help with this.

A client has been pressured into adding AccessiBe to their site imagemd.o=
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g is you guys find things AccessiBe makes worse and we can justify disabl=
ing it.

Thank you so much!
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Sandy

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