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Re: achieving PDF/UA compliance
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Date: Mar 29, 2023 7:28AM
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I'm not sure passing a PDF/UA check is always a good sign of sufficient accessibility.
Just had a PDF from a client that consisted of only P tags, and several tables and sidebar boxes weren't even tagged at all.
But it did pass the Acrobat checker, and even had the PDF/UA identifier/medallion on it.
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As a rule I don't believe any accessibility conformance statement I didn't write myself, although I would trust them from some of the people in this forum. Very few stand up to any scrutiny. That said, if a PDF passes an automated PDF/UA check, it's usually a good sign because you can't pass it by accident. It requires a lot of good design and/or remediation, so whoever did it probably know what they were doing.
PDF/UA conformance doesn't mean that the document is accessible, but the likelihood is it's far more accessible than most.
Steve
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I agree. It is a voluntary sticker that someone can apply to a PDF. I really don't like applications that simply add it in with an accessibility check. I then have to figure out how to remove it while remediating the PDF. I perform accessibility checks often during remediation so don't want the identifier attached until or unless I want to add it.
I don't add it to my PDFs.
Cheers, Karen
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Hi Steve-
Do you find the declaration of "UA" a bit like VPATs? I am dubious of the claims when someone says "this is UA so it is accessible. "UA" (like VPATs) is more of an honor system in my opinion. I could construct a PDF that is inaccessible and still get it to take the "UA" declaration.
Thoughts?
Jon
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I find that the Preflight tool only helps to fix a few of the PDF/UA issues we encounter. We fix most of the issues in other ways, mostly in the Tags panel. It's also worth noting that the Commonlook PDF Validator tests for PDF/UA conformance more thoroughly than PAC2021. And there are some tests you have to do manually.
If it's any consolation, I am fully sighted but find the Preflight dialog difficult to understand. I don't think it has changed in the 18 years I have been doing PDF remediation and it could seriously do with a redesign.
Steve Green
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If you are using the PAC 2021 checker, you may find taggedpdf.com helpful in deciphering the results and applying a fix using Acrobat Pro.
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I am working on a document which has passed the acrobat Accessibility checker.
I am as the subject indicates trying to pass the PDF/UA standard.
I am trying to use the pre flight tool to fix any remaining issues.
I am using Jaws and these dialogues are extremely difficult to use and understand.
Does anyone have any tips or suggestions to make this easier?
I am not sure about the best profile to use or what aspects of this process to concentrate on.
The PAC 2021 accessibility checker indicates that I have some content and structure issues to deal with and a font issue as well.
Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks
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