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From: Joel Ward
Date: Oct 16, 2001 6:10PM

Hi Paul,
Thanks for the info!
Does JAWS and HPR associate the id and headers attributes of the TH and TD
cells, or the scope attributes of the TH cells? Or do these programs
"automatically" associate headers with cells?
The Access Board suggested that we use these attributes, which I think are
great in theory. Just curious whether they are used in practice.
Joel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Bohman" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
To: "WebAIM forum" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 4:26 PM
Subject: RE: IBM Home Page Reader

> The latest versions of both JAWS and HPR read the headers just fine when
you
> go into table reading mode. For Home Page Reader (HPR), you hit ALT+T,
then
> use the arrows to navigate between cells. In JAWS, you hit CTRL+ALT+arrows
> to navigate between cells. JAWS does have a fatal flaw though: if you have
> spanned columns or rows, it will associate the wrong headers with the
cells.
> HPR does not have this problem. As long as you don't have spanned cells,
> both read the tables very well. I have less experience with Window Eyes,
so
> I can't speak to that directly.
>
> Paul Bohman
> Technology Coordinator
> WebAIM (Web Accessibility in Mind)
> www.webaim.org
> Utah State University
> www.usu.edu
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]On Behalf Of
> Joel Ward
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 2:16 PM
> To: WebAIM forum
> Subject: Re: IBM Home Page Reader
>
>
> Hi Glenda,
>
> From what I have heard and read, none of the three major screen readers
> (JAWS, WindowEyes and HPR) properly associate headers with cell data
(using
> id/headers) or read the scope attributes.
>
> However, these two methods are the only way that the Access Board has
> suggested for making tables accessible and Section 508 compliant. See:
> http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/guide/1194.22.htm#(g)
>
> I am also curious if there is a way for any of the screen readers to
process
> these accessible table attributes. If not, will they be compliant with
the
> standards? When? Or is it a web browser issue? (Is IE at fault or the
> assistive technology?)
>
> These attributes would be great way to make our HTML pages easier to read
> for all users IF the user agents could understand them properly.
>
> For the meantime, I will continue to code with the id/headers or scope
> attributes in my tables, even though I cannot test their functionality.
>
> Does anyone have more information?
>
> Joel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glenda Watson Hyatt" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> To: "WebAIM accessibility forum" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 3:53 PM
> Subject: IBM Home Page Reader
>
>
> > I've downloaded the demo version of IBM Home Page Reader to gain a
better
> > understand of how screen readers actually sound. Quite an eye opener.
> >
> > I am wondering if IBM HPR is a fair representation of screen readers.
The
> > reason I ask is that it didn't seem to handle data tables as I expected.
> > Cell headers weren't linked with cell data. Is there a HPR setting I
need
> > to change? Or, doesn't HPR work this way? I'd appreciate insight here.
> >
> > And, while I'm here, according to WAI:
> >
> > Labels for radio buttons and checkboxes should appear after the radio
> button
> > or checkbox. For example:
> >
> > Choose your area of interest:
> > [] Personal Development [] Management Skills
> >
> > Have I interpreted this correctly? Why have the checkbox before hearing
> > what you are checking? Or, do I have something wrong? Thanks.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Glenda
> >
> >
> > PS Can anyone explain why IBM HPR needs Microsoft IE to operate? Is IBM
> in
> > bed with Microsoft??
> >
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