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From: Dax Castro
Date: Oct 21, 2024 9:32AM

Any table that has row headers would provide a poor user experience. When a person is moving from row to row. Because without the scope of row for the items in the first column, the information would not be voiced correctly. This is a clear violation of 1.3.1 info and relationships.

Also, any table that has more than one column header would not voice correctly without scope as well. By default, NVDA and JAWS only assume that the first row contain column headers. Therefore, any table that exceeds this simple design will fail for the end user to provide an accurate experience.

Thanks,
Dax
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Use a screen reader on a table with a ton of data cells. Talk about how if we lose our place, we can see where we are at a glance by looking at where the row header and column header and data cell intersect. Ask how could you tell where you
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Use a screen reader on a table with a ton of data cells.

Talk about how if we lose our place, we can see where we are at a glance by
looking at where the row header and column header and data cell intersect.
Ask how could you tell where you are in this table without being able to
see? (Answer is you have to listen to the whole damn thing again)

Then use the screen reader say cell contents command on a table with and
without scope set. (CTRL ALT Numpad 5 in Jaws). Becomes crystal clear why
it's needed.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024, 10:33 AM Glarst < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> I've been asked to provide a real-world example of a barrier caused by the
> absence of SCOPE on an otherwise conformant TH tag. This pertains
> specifically to the recent Title II Final Rule, so I guess the bigger
> question is whether SCOPE is required for conformance.
> So before I go on a wild goose chase evaluating every table on the WWW,
> does anyone have a hot take on this (or a real-world instance they'd like
> to share)?
> Thanks,
> Glarst
> > > > >