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From: Jean Watkins
Date: Sat, Feb 16 2002 9:34AM
Subject: Default, place-holding characters
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This piece about the place-holding characters came up a little last week. If you include the place holders in a text field, the user then has to delete the default information out before placing their own information in to the field. This doesn't seem very helpful to me. In some cases, can I provide a value of " " or would that create a new problem? Doesn't the text preceding the field explain what is wanted in the field?

The guidelines also say that a radio button must be selected to satisfy this requirement. What if a user has to select either apples or oranges, but doesn't want either one? In some cases, I do not have a radio button selected because the user may not want anything in that c

From: Jean Watkins
Date: Sat, Feb 16 2002 9:57AM
Subject: Re: Default, place-holding characters
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Also, what about a password field? Any default value given just shows up as *****. How would that appropriately get handled?

Jean L. Watkins
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From: Jean Watkins
To: WebAIM accessibility forum
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 11:34 AM
Subject: Default, place-holding characters


This piece about the place-holding characters came up a little last week. If you include the place holders in a text field, the user then has to delete the default information out before placing their own information in to the field. This doesn't seem very helpful to me. In some cases, can I provide a value of " " or would that create a new problem? Doesn't the text preceding the field explain what is wanted in the field?

The guidelines also say that a radio button must be selected to satisfy this requirement. What if a user has to select either apples or oranges, but doesn't want either one? In some cases, I do not have a radio button selected because the user may not want anything in that catego

From: Karthik Narayanan. R
Date: Sat, Feb 16 2002 4:05PM
Subject: Re: Default, place-holding characters
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Hello Jean,
Jeff Johnson, I think in his book "GUI Bloopers" mentions that radio buttons should be used when the user 'has' to select from a number of options and can't leave something blank. If there is a situation where none of the options are to be selected check boxes can be used. I am sure you had a scenario in mind when you made this statement. It would be nice to know the exact scenario, so that people can suggest workarounds, or may be even regrouping the choices.

In my opinion, the default value might help in some cases, and not always as u have mentioned.
One useful example i can think up of is a page in Wachovia's online banking application, which have dates as default values in text fields when displaying the statement history. it is convinient and faster to use it that way than to have a menu for selecting the dates for which you would like to see the statements.
Regards,
KArthik

----- Original Message -----
From: Jean Watkins
To: WebAIM accessibility forum
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 11:34 AM
Subject: Default, place-holding characters


This piece about the place-holding characters came up a little last week. If you include the place holders in a text field, the user then has to delete the default information out before placing their own information in to the field. This doesn't seem very helpful to me. In some cases, can I provide a value of " " or would that create a new problem? Doesn't the text preceding the field explain what is wanted in the field?

The guidelines also say that a radio button must be selected to satisfy this requirement. What if a user has to select either apples or oranges, but doesn't want either one? In some cases, I do not have a radio button selected because the user may not want anything in that catego

From: Peter Van Dijck
Date: Mon, Feb 18 2002 2:01AM
Subject: Re: Default, place-holding characters
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> Jeff Johnson, I think in his book "GUI Bloopers" mentions that radio
buttons should be used when the user 'has' to select from a number of
options and can't leave something blank. If there is a situation where none
of the options are to be selected check boxes can be used.

No, that's bad interface design. Radio buttons are used if you can select
only one option out of many. If "none of the following" is an option, you
should include "none of the following" with a radio button. Checkboxes are
used if you can select 0, or one or more option.
Peter
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From: Karthik Narayanan. R
Date: Mon, Feb 18 2002 9:13AM
Subject: Re: Default, place-holding characters
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Hello peter,
thanks for correcting me. I think i got confused while writing.
He does mention using 'none of the following' as you have mentioned.
Karthik

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Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: Default, place-holding characters


> > Jeff Johnson, I think in his book "GUI Bloopers" mentions that radio
> buttons should be used when the user 'has' to select from a number of
> options and can't leave something blank. If there is a situation where
none
> of the options are to be selected check boxes can be used.
>
> No, that's bad interface design. Radio buttons are used if you can select
> only one option out of many. If "none of the following" is an option, you
> should include "none of the following" with a radio button. Checkboxes are
> used if you can select 0, or one or more option.
> Peter
> http://petervandijck.net
>
>
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