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From: Moore, Michael
Date: Thu, Oct 09 2008 2:50PM
Subject: Re: Foreign:Re: Optimum position of asterixes on web forms
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FYI there seems to be a bug in JAWS 9 where the abbreviation and
acronyms are not being expanded even when selected in the verbosity
settings.

Mike

From: Gareth Dart
Date: Fri, Oct 10 2008 12:50AM
Subject: Re: Optimum position of asterixes on web forms
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Many thanks for the advice, guys. It should have seemed obvious that a
required indicator needs to go inside the field label - I guess this
highlights the need not to become hidebound.

Cheers,

G


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From: Andy Mabbett
Date: Fri, Oct 10 2008 1:50AM
Subject: Re: Optimum position of asterixes on web forms
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In this context, it is an abbreviation.


In message < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >, Dean Hamack
< = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > writes

>That's semantically incorrect. An asterisk is not an abbreviation. Proper
>use of abbr is like so:
>
><abbr title="Telephone Number">PH:</abbr> 206.905.8575
>
>
>On 10/9/08 12:50 PM, "Andy Mabbett" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>
>> Wouldn't that be better as:
>>
>> <h2>* denotes mandatory field</h2>
>> <label>Name:<abbr title="mandatory">*</abbr></label>
>>
>> or perhaps:
>>
>> <h2><abbr title="required">*</abbr> denotes mandatory field</h2>
>> <label>Name:<abbr>*</abbr></label>


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From: Andy Mabbett
Date: Fri, Oct 10 2008 2:00AM
Subject: Re: Optimum position of asterixes on web forms
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In message < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >, Rich Pedley
< = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > writes

>On 09/10/2008 20:50, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> > Wouldn't that be better as:
>>
>> <h2>* denotes mandatory field</h2>
>> <label>Name:<abbr title="mandatory">*</abbr></label>
>>
>> or perhaps:
>>
>> <h2><abbr title="required">*</abbr> denotes mandatory field</h2>
>> <label>Name:<abbr>*</abbr></label>
>>
>> ?
>>
>
>since when is * an abbreviation?

Since it was first used as a shortened version of a longer word or
phrase.

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From: Tim Beadle
Date: Fri, Oct 10 2008 3:00AM
Subject: Re: Optimum position of asterisk on web forms
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On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Karlen Communications
< = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> I would also tend to put the "-required" in the form control as I never know
> when "star" means required for a field and since I usually just work with a
> list of form controls not the text around them, having the "- required" as
> part of the form control label lets me work through forms quickly.
>
> I don't think an asterisk provides enough accessibility. For form controls

From Natalie Downe's "CSS Systems" talk at BarcampLondon5:

"For example the star used on labels to indicate a field is required,
NEEDS to be an image
with the alt text 'required'"
-- http://natbat.net/2008/Sep/28/css-systems/ links to her PDF of
slides plus notes.

e.g. <img src="asterisk.gif" alt="Required">

And I agree with previous posters that this should be inside the label
element associated with the form control in question.

Regards,

Tim

From: Tim Beadle
Date: Fri, Oct 10 2008 3:10AM
Subject: Re: Optimum position of asterisk on web forms
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On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Tim Beadle < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> "For example the star used on labels to indicate a field is required,
> NEEDS to be an image with the alt text 'required'"

Sorry - I should have clarified that statement is in the context of
talking about CSS background images - i.e. (according to Natalie) it's
not accessible enough to use (say) <span
class="required">Required</span> then apply an image replacement trick
in CSS; it needs to be an img element.

Regards,

Tim

From: ben morrison
Date: Mon, Oct 13 2008 10:40AM
Subject: Re: Optimum position of asterixes on web forms
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On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Gareth Dart < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Many thanks for the advice, guys. It should have seemed obvious that a
> required indicator needs to go inside the field label - I guess this
> highlights the need not to become hidebound.

Just came across this little snippet today about reversing 'required'
and marking as 'optional'

Quite like the idea - depending on the amount of 'optional/required' fields

http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=32161

ben
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