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From: Birdsell John J
Date: Mon, Apr 22 2002 11:13AM
Subject: RE: Evaluating sites that need authentication
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I do my testing on my development machine before I upload the files to the
server. This of course eliminates any authentication problems. I use
Aprompt from the university of Toronto( http://www.aprompt.ca/
<http://www.aprompt.ca/>; ) and the Dreamweaver accessibility suite for
testing.

From: Parthu mopanna
Date: Tue, Apr 30 2002 11:49AM
Subject: RE: Evaluating sites that need authentication
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check out this tool - PageScreamer Spider....for more
info go to www.crunchy.com

It does evaluation of web pages that require
authentication!

--- Birdsell John J < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> I do my testing on my development machine before I
> upload the files to the
> server. This of course eliminates any authentication
> problems. I use
> Aprompt from the university of Toronto(
> http://www.aprompt.ca/
> <http://www.aprompt.ca/>; ) and the Dreamweaver
> accessibility suite for
> testing.
>
>

From: Michelle Fisher
Date: Fri, May 03 2002 7:50AM
Subject: Bobby Alternatives, are they any?
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Does anyone know of any alternative to Bobby - The
industry standard for web accessibility?




--- Parthu mopanna < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote: > check
out this tool - PageScreamer Spider....for
> more
> info go to www.crunchy.com
>
> It does evaluation of web pages that require
> authentication!
>
> --- Birdsell John J < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
> > I do my testing on my development machine before I
> > upload the files to the
> > server. This of course eliminates any
> authentication
> > problems. I use
> > Aprompt from the university of Toronto(
> > http://www.aprompt.ca/
> > <http://www.aprompt.ca/>; ) and the Dreamweaver
> > accessibility suite for
> > testing.
> >
> >

From: Fuwad Ilyas
Date: Fri, May 03 2002 11:48AM
Subject: Re: Bobby Alternatives, are they any?
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Yes there are alternates to bobby software but you cannot check your whole site for ADA compliance with those sites.Let me know if you want URLs for those sites.

Fuwad Ilyas
Webmaster
IRC Coordinator
Public Affairs Section
American Embassy Islamabad Pakistan
Tel: (92) 300 8556264 (cellular)
E-mail: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =



Michelle Fisher < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote: Does anyone know of any alternative to Bobby - The
industry standard for web accessibility?




--- Parthu mopanna
wrote: > check
out this tool - PageScreamer Spider....for
> more
> info go to www.crunchy.com
>
> It does evaluation of web pages that require
> authentication!
>
> --- Birdsell John J
> wrote:
> > I do my testing on my development machine before I
> > upload the files to the
> > server. This of course eliminates any
> authentication
> > problems. I use
> > Aprompt from the university of Toronto(
> > http://www.aprompt.ca/
> > ) and the Dreamweaver
> > accessibility suite for
> > testing.
> >
> >

From: Jim Thatcher
Date: Fri, May 03 2002 2:03PM
Subject: RE: Bobby Alternatives, are they any?
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Hi Michelle,

I am doing an evaluation of tools like Bobby that do web accessibility
testing and repair. This project is funded by ITTATC www.ittatc.org and
should be complete in the end of this month and appear on my and their web
site. The tools to be included are:

1. AccessEnable Standard from RetroAccess (http://www.retroaccess.com).
2. AccRepair from HiSoftware (http://www.hisoftware.com).
3. Bobby Worldwide from CAST (http://www.cast.org/bobby).
4. InFocus from SSB Technologies (http://www.ssbtechnologies.com).
5. LIFT Online from UsableNet (http://www.usablenet.com).
6. PageScreamer Spider from Crunchy Technologies (http://www.crunchy.com).

A preliminary discussion of two of the tools and my assessment of what can
be tested by software is on my site at http://jimthatcher.com/er2.htm.

Jim
Accessibility Consulting
http://jimthatcher.com
512-306-0931
Constructing Accessible Web Sites, is now available at Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151000/jimthatcherco-20/!
I recommend it. It's a good book!

From: Michelle Fisher
Date: Fri, May 03 2002 9:57PM
Subject: Re: Bobby Alternatives, are they any?
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Thanks Fuwad, But what are names for these alternative
Bobby tools.

Michelle

--- Fuwad Ilyas < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote: >
> Yes there are alternates to bobby software but you
> cannot check your whole site for ADA compliance with
> those sites.Let me know if you want URLs for those
> sites.
>
> Fuwad Ilyas
> Webmaster
> IRC Coordinator
> Public Affairs Section
> American Embassy Islamabad Pakistan
> Tel: (92) 300 8556264 (cellular)
> E-mail: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>
>
>
> Michelle Fisher < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Does anyone know of any alternative to Bobby - The
> industry standard for web accessibility?
>
>
>
>
> --- Parthu mopanna
> wrote: > check
> out this tool - PageScreamer Spider....for
> > more
> > info go to www.crunchy.com
> >
> > It does evaluation of web pages that require
> > authentication!
> >
> > --- Birdsell John J
> > wrote:
> > > I do my testing on my development machine before
> I
> > > upload the files to the
> > > server. This of course eliminates any
> > authentication
> > > problems. I use
> > > Aprompt from the university of Toronto(
> > > http://www.aprompt.ca/
> > > ) and the Dreamweaver
> > > accessibility suite for
> > > testing.
> > >
> > >

From: Michelle Fisher
Date: Fri, May 03 2002 9:57PM
Subject: RE: Bobby Alternatives, are they any?
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Thanks Jim,

I will have a look and supply some feed back if you
like.

Regards
Michelle

--- Jim Thatcher < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote: > Hi
Michelle,
>
> I am doing an evaluation of tools like Bobby that do
> web accessibility
> testing and repair. This project is funded by ITTATC
> www.ittatc.org and
> should be complete in the end of this month and
> appear on my and their web
> site. The tools to be included are:
>
> 1. AccessEnable Standard from RetroAccess
> (http://www.retroaccess.com).
> 2. AccRepair from HiSoftware
> (http://www.hisoftware.com).
> 3. Bobby Worldwide from CAST
> (http://www.cast.org/bobby).
> 4. InFocus from SSB Technologies
> (http://www.ssbtechnologies.com).
> 5. LIFT Online from UsableNet
> (http://www.usablenet.com).
> 6. PageScreamer Spider from Crunchy Technologies
> (http://www.crunchy.com).
>
> A preliminary discussion of two of the tools and my
> assessment of what can
> be tested by software is on my site at
> http://jimthatcher.com/er2.htm.
>
> Jim
> Accessibility Consulting
> http://jimthatcher.com
> 512-306-0931
> Constructing Accessible Web Sites, is now available
> at Amazon:
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151000/jimthatcherco-20/!
> I recommend it. It's a good book!
>
>
>

From: Leo Smith
Date: Mon, May 06 2002 6:54AM
Subject: Re: Bobby Alternatives, are they any?
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From: Robert B. Yonaitis
Date: Mon, May 06 2002 6:56AM
Subject: RE: Bobby Alternatives, are they any?
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Hello All,

I agree that all tools have unique benefits and usability features. I
look f

From: Robert B. Yonaitis
Date: Mon, May 06 2002 7:19AM
Subject: FYI - RE: Bobby Alternatives, are they any?
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Another thought : A Note on independent reviews of Accessibility test
management tools

For people interested on a position paper and truly independent review:

Forrester Research identifies HiSoftware as having the most advanced
tools for accessibility, with complete testing & repair solutions in
it's "Design Accessible Sites Now" report. To order a copy of the
Forrester Report, please visit:
<http://www.forrester.com/ER/Research/Report/Summary/0,1338,11431,00.htm
l>
http://www.forrester.com/ER/Research/Report/Summary/0,1338,11431,00.html

Perhaps an organization like ITTATC (Information Technology Technical
Assistance and Training Center, Georgia Tech, <http://www.ittatc.org/>;
http://www.ittatc.org). could commission one of these firms that are
fully qualified to do an independent review.

By Qualified I mean:

- Independent: No Conflict of interest

- Prepared: Full test lab and qualified test teams for platforms an
technologies required to test

- Trained: in testing methodologies and tools



This is far to important to just say that because one knows
accessibility or a screen reader or an OS or Java, etc, that they can
perform a full imparti