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From: shankar shan
Date: Wed, Jun 29 2016 8:09PM
Subject: CODE EDITORS
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DEAR FRIENDS, GREETINGS.
AS FOR THE SUBJECT LINE SAYS, CAN SOME ONE SUGGEST THE BEST CODE
EDITORS WITH JAWS?
I WAS USING NOTEPAD PLUS, BUT, IN THE MENU BAR, SOME OF THE HTML AND
PHP CODES ARE NOT DISPLAYED
HENCE, ALLWAYS I HAVE TO DEPENDS ON MANUAL CODING.
i WAS ASKED ONE OF MY SIGHTED FRIEND, HE SUGGESTED ME TO GO WITH
SUBLIME TEXT EDITOR, BUT, THE SUBLIME IS NOT ACCESSIBLE WIT SCREEN
READERS.
HOPE SOME EXPERTS WILL HELP ME.
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Thanks and regards
Shankar
*****ACCESSIBILITY AND USABILITY TESTER AT HCL TECHNOLOGIES *****
From: Sean Curtis
Date: Wed, Jun 29 2016 9:55PM
Subject: Re: CODE EDITORS
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I'm not sure how it is on Windows, but Visual Studio Code works pretty well
on OSX from a brief test. I know Microsoft put a lot of effort into making
their products accessible. I switched from a mix of IDEA/Sublime/Atom to
purely using VS Code now. I never really saw myself using a MS product, but
Code is a beautifully built editor. It's also insanely fast.
Maybe get them to give it a go?
Cheers,
Sean
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:09 PM, shankar shan < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:
> DEAR FRIENDS, GREETINGS.
> AS FOR THE SUBJECT LINE SAYS, CAN SOME ONE SUGGEST THE BEST CODE
> EDITORS WITH JAWS?
>
>
> I WAS USING NOTEPAD PLUS, BUT, IN THE MENU BAR, SOME OF THE HTML AND
> PHP CODES ARE NOT DISPLAYED
> HENCE, ALLWAYS I HAVE TO DEPENDS ON MANUAL CODING.
>
> i WAS ASKED ONE OF MY SIGHTED FRIEND, HE SUGGESTED ME TO GO WITH
> SUBLIME TEXT EDITOR, BUT, THE SUBLIME IS NOT ACCESSIBLE WIT SCREEN
> READERS.
>
> HOPE SOME EXPERTS WILL HELP ME.
>
>
>
>
> --
> jammed and internet hanged?Reach through the following means:
> mobile: +91 9599194749
> whats app: +91 7795927572
> skype: Shankar.a
> email: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Thanks and regards
> Shankar
> *****ACCESSIBILITY AND USABILITY TESTER AT HCL TECHNOLOGIES *****
> > > > >
From: Lovely, Brian (CONT)
Date: Thu, Jun 30 2016 7:14AM
Subject: Re: CODE EDITORS
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I personally do not know the answer to Shankar's question, but I thought Google might. I got a lot of partial matches to my query of "osx code editor that is compatible with jaws," with "jaws" being both one of the most important parts of the query and one of the most omitted from results. I did find this however: http://www.sas.com/en_us/home.html
I don't know anything about this editor, this Google query response was the first time I have heard of it. Here's a quote from their documentation:
"SAS Studio 3.1 has been tested against the accessibility standards for electronic information technology that were adopted by the U.S. Government under Section 508 of the U.S. Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (2008 draft proposal initiative update). It was also tested against Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0 levels A and AA, part of the Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) of the Worldwide Web Consortium (W3C). For more information about the accessibility of this product, send e-mail to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = or call SAS Technical Support.
For best results, use JAWS with Firefox on Windows 7 and VoiceOver with Safari on OS X."
Just for a lark, I opened their home page in Chrome, opened the developer tools, and ran the aXe accessibility analyzer. aXe found 19 violations, 13 of which were "links must have discernable text". The rest were color contrast and video elements missing captions and audio descriptions. Physician, heal thyself!
Brian Lovely
Digital Accessibility Team
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From: Lovely, Brian (CONT)
Date: Thu, Jun 30 2016 7:39AM
Subject: Re: CODE EDITORS
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...my colleague Casey passed this along: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/118984/how-can-you-program-if-youre-blind
Brian Lovely
Digital Accessibility Team
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From: Joshua Hori
Date: Thu, Jun 30 2016 2:52PM
Subject: Re: CODE EDITORS
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OSX code editors may not work with JAWS since they would be Mac based and would require VoiceOver. With NotePad++, you may need to install the Plugin Manager along with the PHP Automation. There's also a HTML Tag plugin and notepadtable (for table creation) plugin you may want to consider. There's other plugins available for other programs.
But if you don't want to install plugins, try brackets.io, it's what all the cool kids are using now. Here's a video on its use with JAWS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3aGVLHrdCI
The further you get into coding, the more you may want to consider Linux as a platform. Some things just happen much faster on Linux than they will on PC. Try joining the BlindCS (Blind Computer Science) listserv on nfb.org. There's a lot of coders on that listserv who would give you great recommendations.
Joshua
From: Lovely, Brian (CONT)
Date: Thu, Jun 30 2016 3:01PM
Subject: Re: CODE EDITORS
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I was wondering why Joshua mentioned OSX specifically in his message, then finally twigged that I had claimed to search for an accessible code editor with a string that included "osx". I don't know if that's what I actually searched on or not, but SAS Studio works on both Windows and OSX. Sorry for the confusion, I keep looking for freeware audio tools and am careful to specify OSX in my queries. I must have automatically typed it in.
Brian Lovely
Digital Accessibility Team
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From: Bryan Garaventa
Date: Thu, Jun 30 2016 3:54PM
Subject: Re: CODE EDITORS
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Personally I recommend EdSharp:
https://github.com/EmpowermentZone/EdSharp
"EdSharp is a full featured text editor that is friendly, powerful, and open source. It uses a standard Windows interface for an application that supports multiple document windows. Though intended for sighted users as well, it seeks to enhance productivity for users of the JAWS, Window-Eyes, or System Access screen readers by automatically verbalizing relevant information. These speech messages supplement default speech heuristics, providing confirmation or results of commands without the need for manually interrogating the screen. If JAWS, Window-Eyes, or System Access are not detected in memory, EdSharp uses the default SAPI voice, if available, which may be configured via the Speech applet in Control Panel."
I've been using Jamal's editor for many years and do all of my programming using this.
Bryan Garaventa
Accessibility Fellow
SSB BART Group, Inc.
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From: Brian Lovely
Date: Thu, Jun 30 2016 4:54PM
Subject: Re: CODE EDITORS
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I just realized my query string in my previous message includes "OS X". I don't know if that's what I actually searched on or not. Anyhoo,
Brian Lovely
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> On Jun 30, 2016, at 9:14 AM, Lovely, Brian (CONT) < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> I personally do not know the answer to Shankar's question, but I thought Google might. I got a lot of partial matches to my query of "osx code editor that is compatible with jaws," with "jaws" being both one of the most important parts of the query and one of the most omitted from results. I did find this however: http://www.sas.com/en_us/home.html
>
> I don't know anything about this editor, this Google query response was the first time I have heard of it. Here's a quote from their documentation:
>
> "SAS Studio 3.1 has been tested against the accessibility standards for electronic information technology that were adopted by the U.S. Government under Section 508 of the U.S. Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (2008 draft proposal initiative update). It was also tested against Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0 levels A and AA, part of the Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) of the Worldwide Web Consortium (W3C). For more information about the accessibility of this product, send e-mail to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = or call SAS Technical Support.
> For best results, use JAWS with Firefox on Windows 7 and VoiceOver with Safari on OS X."
>
> Just for a lark, I opened their home page in Chrome, opened the developer tools, and ran the aXe accessibility analyzer. aXe found 19 violations, 13 of which were "links must have discernable text". The rest were color contrast and video elements missing captions and audio descriptions. Physician, heal thyself!
>
> Brian Lovely
> Digital Accessibility Team
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>
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>
From: Sean Murphy
Date: Thu, Jun 30 2016 9:47PM
Subject: Re: CODE EDITORS
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Sean
You saying you can get Mac version of Microsoft Visual Studio? That is really interesting. As the window version is quite good. I need to check it out.
> On 30 Jun 2016, at 1:55 PM, Sean Curtis < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> I'm not sure how it is on Windows, but Visual Studio Code works pretty well
> on OSX from a brief test. I know Microsoft put a lot of effort into making
> their products accessible. I switched from a mix of IDEA/Sublime/Atom to
> purely using VS Code now. I never really saw myself using a MS product, but
> Code is a beautifully built editor. It's also insanely fast.
>
> Maybe get them to give it a go?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sean
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:09 PM, shankar shan < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
>
>> DEAR FRIENDS, GREETINGS.
>> AS FOR THE SUBJECT LINE SAYS, CAN SOME ONE SUGGEST THE BEST CODE
>> EDITORS WITH JAWS?
>>
>>
>> I WAS USING NOTEPAD PLUS, BUT, IN THE MENU BAR, SOME OF THE HTML AND
>> PHP CODES ARE NOT DISPLAYED
>> HENCE, ALLWAYS I HAVE TO DEPENDS ON MANUAL CODING.
>>
>> i WAS ASKED ONE OF MY SIGHTED FRIEND, HE SUGGESTED ME TO GO WITH
>> SUBLIME TEXT EDITOR, BUT, THE SUBLIME IS NOT ACCESSIBLE WIT SCREEN
>> READERS.
>>
>> HOPE SOME EXPERTS WILL HELP ME.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> jammed and internet hanged?Reach through the following means:
>> mobile: +91 9599194749
>> whats app: +91 7795927572
>> skype: Shankar.a
>> email: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> Thanks and regards
>> Shankar
>> *****ACCESSIBILITY AND USABILITY TESTER AT HCL TECHNOLOGIES *****
>> >> >> >> >>
> > > >
From: Sean Curtis
Date: Thu, Jun 30 2016 10:14PM
Subject: Re: CODE EDITORS
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Yeah it looks like they did a total rewrite of VS, or just wrote a lighter
version. I used VS 10 years ago and it was pretty horrible, which made me
really hesitant when a workmate told me to try it out. I'm glad I did. It's
now my go-to editor on OSX now. I'm just guessing that it's just as good on
Windows too.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Sean Murphy < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Sean
>
>
> You saying you can get Mac version of Microsoft Visual Studio? That is
> really interesting. As the window version is quite good. I need to check it
> out.
>
> > On 30 Jun 2016, at 1:55 PM, Sean Curtis < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure how it is on Windows, but Visual Studio Code works pretty
> well
> > on OSX from a brief test. I know Microsoft put a lot of effort into
> making
> > their products accessible. I switched from a mix of IDEA/Sublime/Atom to
> > purely using VS Code now. I never really saw myself using a MS product,
> but
> > Code is a beautifully built editor. It's also insanely fast.
> >
> > Maybe get them to give it a go?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Sean
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:09 PM, shankar shan < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> DEAR FRIENDS, GREETINGS.
> >> AS FOR THE SUBJECT LINE SAYS, CAN SOME ONE SUGGEST THE BEST CODE
> >> EDITORS WITH JAWS?
> >>
> >>
> >> I WAS USING NOTEPAD PLUS, BUT, IN THE MENU BAR, SOME OF THE HTML AND
> >> PHP CODES ARE NOT DISPLAYED
> >> HENCE, ALLWAYS I HAVE TO DEPENDS ON MANUAL CODING.
> >>
> >> i WAS ASKED ONE OF MY SIGHTED FRIEND, HE SUGGESTED ME TO GO WITH
> >> SUBLIME TEXT EDITOR, BUT, THE SUBLIME IS NOT ACCESSIBLE WIT SCREEN
> >> READERS.
> >>
> >> HOPE SOME EXPERTS WILL HELP ME.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> jammed and internet hanged?Reach through the following means:
> >> mobile: +91 9599194749
> >> whats app: +91 7795927572
> >> skype: Shankar.a
> >> email: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >> Thanks and regards
> >> Shankar
> >> *****ACCESSIBILITY AND USABILITY TESTER AT HCL TECHNOLOGIES *****
> >> > >> > >> > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
From: Lovely, Brian (CONT)
Date: Fri, Jul 01 2016 7:21AM
Subject: Re: CODE EDITORS
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Arrgh, sorry all. I started writing this message, then had to put the phone down for a while. I didn't intend to send it.