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From: karthik k
Date: Sun, Feb 05 2017 10:09PM
Subject: software for alt text?
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Karthik K.
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Hi all,
is there any software to provide alt text?
I came to know that there is some software which can provide alt text
and one such software is used in facebook. can you give me some
suggestion regarding the same?
From: Rakesh P
Date: Mon, Feb 06 2017 1:23AM
Subject: Re: software for alt text?
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I have done some study on the use of artificial intelligence for providing
automatic alternate text for images by facebook. The article is here.
http://www.maxability.co.in/2016/08/revolution-in-accessibility-the-automatic-alternate-text/
Hope this helps.
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wrote:
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> Thanking you,
> regards
> Karthik K.
> Phone no 9060989650
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> is there any software to provide alt text?
> I came to know that there is some software which can provide alt text
> and one such software is used in facebook. can you give me some
> suggestion regarding the same?
> > > > >
From: karthik k
Date: Mon, Feb 06 2017 1:53AM
Subject: Re: software for alt text?
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Hi Rakesh,
the article was really helpful. is there any such software by any
company? Is deque working on this?
On 2/6/17, Rakesh P < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> I have done some study on the use of artificial intelligence for providing
> automatic alternate text for images by facebook. The article is here.
> http://www.maxability.co.in/2016/08/revolution-in-accessibility-the-automatic-alternate-text/
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 10:39 AM, karthik k < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
>
>> --
>> Thanking you,
>> regards
>> Karthik K.
>> Phone no 9060989650
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> is there any software to provide alt text?
>> I came to know that there is some software which can provide alt text
>> and one such software is used in facebook. can you give me some
>> suggestion regarding the same?
>> >> >> >> >>
> > > > >
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Thanking you,
regards
Karthik K.
Phone no 9060989650
From: Rakesh P
Date: Mon, Feb 06 2017 3:17AM
Subject: Re: software for alt text?
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No Karthik, at least I am not aware of
On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 2:23 PM, karthik k < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi Rakesh,
> the article was really helpful. is there any such software by any
> company? Is deque working on this?
>
> On 2/6/17, Rakesh P < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> > I have done some study on the use of artificial intelligence for
> providing
> > automatic alternate text for images by facebook. The article is here.
> > http://www.maxability.co.in/2016/08/revolution-in-
> accessibility-the-automatic-alternate-text/
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 10:39 AM, karthik k < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> --
> >> Thanking you,
> >> regards
> >> Karthik K.
> >> Phone no 9060989650
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> is there any software to provide alt text?
> >> I came to know that there is some software which can provide alt text
> >> and one such software is used in facebook. can you give me some
> >> suggestion regarding the same?
> >> > >> > >> > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > > >
>
>
> --
> Thanking you,
> regards
> Karthik K.
> Phone no 9060989650
> > > > >
From: Bourne, Sarah (MASSIT)
Date: Mon, Feb 06 2017 7:48AM
Subject: Re: software for alt text?
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Karthik,
If there is any software out there that says it does this, I wouldn't trust it. The computing power and artificial intelligence Facebook uses is not something that would fit in most development environments - and even then, it's not perfect.
Alternative text is content, and in almost every case, should be provided by the person who wrote the rest of the text on the page. It's picked up by search engines, and is used whenever pictures can't be or aren't being displayed, so the audience is likely to wider than some might think. It has to be treated with the same care as the text in your headings, links, etc.
Right now, only a human can do a good job of authoring alternative text.
sb
Sarah E. Bourne
Director of IT Accessibility, MassIT
Commonwealth of Massachusetts
1 Ashburton Pl. rm 811 Boston MA 02108
617-626-4502
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From: Karl Brown
Date: Mon, Feb 06 2017 8:29AM
Subject: Re: software for alt text?
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I'd second what Sarah said.
Part of having a text alternative is knowing whether the text serves
the *equivalent
purpose* to the non-text content (image, etc.). A machine-based solution
isn't yet at a point where it knows what the purpose behind the non-text
content is all the time, so having a human check over things is still the
best option.
Taking images as an example, all I use a tool for is to catch images that
are missing their *alt attribute*. When I see those I know to check the
content around the images to see if there's an alternative there (and also
know to highlight that an alt attribute needs adding, whether we add text
to the attribute or not). I'll then manually check every image that *does* have
an alt attribute to make sure it makes sense for the purpose of the image.
I wouldn't trust a machine or software to do that kind of nuanced check,
yet.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Bourne, Sarah (MASSIT) <
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> Karthik,
>
> If there is any software out there that says it does this, I wouldn't
> trust it. The computing power and artificial intelligence Facebook uses is
> not something that would fit in most development environments - and even
> then, it's not perfect.
>
> Alternative text is content, and in almost every case, should be provided
> by the person who wrote the rest of the text on the page. It's picked up
> by search engines, and is used whenever pictures can't be or aren't being
> displayed, so the audience is likely to wider than some might think. It
> has to be treated with the same care as the text in your headings, links,
> etc.
>
> Right now, only a human can do a good job of authoring alternative text.
>
> sb
> Sarah E. Bourne
> Director of IT Accessibility, MassIT
> Commonwealth of Massachusetts
> 1 Ashburton Pl. rm 811 Boston MA 02108
> 617-626-4502
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> http://www.mass.gov/MassIT
>
>
From: JP Jamous
Date: Mon, Feb 06 2017 10:47AM
Subject: Re: software for alt text?
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Although I am not opposed to AI, I do second Sarah. AI still has a long way to go despite the major progress it has accomplished.
I think that even at its peak AI will never be smarter than the human mind. It can assist humans just like operating systems and database systems do. However, the bottom line remains can AI analyze without previous knowledge what is occurring? In other words, can it predict or hypothesize like a human mind can?
Notice that on Facebook, it states "Possible or possibly." If I ask my sighted wife, she can immediately tell me oh, "this is a picture of a male with black hair, brown eyes, bla, bla, bla"
So having that definite and not possible description is critical to a sightless user.
From: chaals
Date: Mon, Feb 06 2017 1:27PM
Subject: Re: software for alt text?
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I work for a company that does a lot of stuff like machine learning, to help people solve concrete problems...
06.02.2017, 18:47, "JP Jamous" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >:
> Although I am not opposed to AI, I do second Sarah. AI still has a long way to go despite the major progress it has accomplished.
Yep.
> I think that even at its peak AI will never be smarter than the human mind. It can assist humans just like operating systems and database systems do. However, the bottom line remains can AI analyze without previous knowledge what is occurring? In other words, can it predict or hypothesize like a human mind can?
In some circumstances, it can produce the same results. Which is the Turing test - if you can't tell how it happened, but you can't tell the difference in the outcome, then it works. It's just a more complicated version of something like a taste test. In some cases, AI can do the job. In others, it gets it horribly wrong.
For the near future, I wouldn't consider it a reliable tool - "mostly better than nothing" is probably a better assessment. And to a certain extent that is by relying on the intelligence of the person being given the information, which after all is part of what communication is about.
It's getting better. Apparently fast now, if you discount the decades already invested. And if you have access to someone's very powerful systems... but it's something that can help, rather than a clear solution, at least for now.
cheers
Chaals
> Notice that on Facebook, it states "Possible or possibly." If I ask my sighted wife, she can immediately tell me oh, "this is a picture of a male with black hair, brown eyes, bla, bla, bla"
>
> So having that definite and not possible description is critical to a sightless user.
>
>
From: Bourne, Sarah (MASSIT)
Date: Mon, Feb 06 2017 3:17PM
Subject: Re: software for alt text?
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Joe Dolson wrote this back in August, saying what I did, only better:
Computer Vision API: What does it see?
https://www.joedolson.com/2016/08/computer-vision-api-see/
sb
Sarah E. Bourne
Director of IT Accessibility, MassIT
Commonwealth of Massachusetts
1 Ashburton Pl. rm 811 Boston MA 02108
617-626-4502
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From: karthik k
Date: Mon, Feb 06 2017 8:02PM
Subject: Re: software for alt text?
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Thanks one and all for your valuable feedbacks.
special thanks to Rakesh and Sara for those links.
On 2/7/17, Bourne, Sarah (MASSIT) < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Joe Dolson wrote this back in August, saying what I did, only better:
> Computer Vision API: What does it see?
> https://www.joedolson.com/2016/08/computer-vision-api-see/
>
> sb
> Sarah E. Bourne
> Director of IT Accessibility, MassIT
> Commonwealth of Massachusetts
> 1 Ashburton Pl. rm 811 Boston MA 02108
> 617-626-4502
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> http://www.mass.gov/MassIT
>
> > > > >
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Thanking you,
regards
Karthik K.
Phone no 9060989650
From: karthik k
Date: Mon, Feb 06 2017 8:06PM
Subject: Re: software for alt text?
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We have a website which is similar to facebook where people of
particular community share their thoughts picks etc. wondering whether
the computer vision API meets our needs.
On 2/7/17, karthik k < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Thanks one and all for your valuable feedbacks.
> special thanks to Rakesh and Sara for those links.
>
> On 2/7/17, Bourne, Sarah (MASSIT) < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> Joe Dolson wrote this back in August, saying what I did, only better:
>> Computer Vision API: What does it see?
>> https://www.joedolson.com/2016/08/computer-vision-api-see/
>>
>> sb
>> Sarah E. Bourne
>> Director of IT Accessibility, MassIT
>> Commonwealth of Massachusetts
>> 1 Ashburton Pl. rm 811 Boston MA 02108
>> 617-626-4502
>> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> http://www.mass.gov/MassIT
>>
>> >> >> >> >>
>
>
> --
> Thanking you,
> regards
> Karthik K.
> Phone no 9060989650
>
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Thanking you,
regards
Karthik K.
Phone no 9060989650
From: chaals
Date: Tue, Feb 07 2017 6:25AM
Subject: Re: software for alt text?
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07.02.2017, 04:06, "karthik k" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >:
> We have a website which is similar to facebook where people of
> particular community share their thoughts picks etc. wondering whether
> the computer vision API meets our needs.
It almost certainly does not meet your needs. What would meet your needs is a way for people to provide the appropriate information when they upload the picture.
You could augment this with suggestions from the vision API, if you don't mind some pretty unhelpful results for your community.
cheers
> On 2/7/17, karthik k < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>  Thanks one and all for your valuable feedbacks.
>>  special thanks to Rakesh and Sara for those links.
>>
>>  On 2/7/17, Bourne, Sarah (MASSIT) < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>>  Joe Dolson wrote this back in August, saying what I did, only better:
>>>  Computer Vision API: What does it see?
>>>  https://www.joedolson.com/2016/08/computer-vision-api-see/
>>>
>>>  sb
>>>  Sarah E. Bourne
>>>  Director of IT Accessibility, MassIT
>>>  Commonwealth of Massachusetts
>>>  1 Ashburton Pl. rm 811 Boston MA 02108
>>>  617-626-4502
>>>  = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>>>  http://www.mass.gov/MassIT
>>>
>>>  >>>  >>>  >>>  >>
>>  --
>>  Thanking you,
>>  regards
>>  Karthik K.
>>  Phone no 9060989650
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> regards
> Karthik K.
> Phone no 9060989650
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