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From: King,Ellen
Date: Fri, May 05 2017 7:59AM
Subject: JAWS/IE reading aria-labelledby and aria-describedby
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Does JAWS in IE read aria-labelledby and aria-describedby reliably? I found this article and wonder if any progress has been made or if a status has been issued. https://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2014/06/aria-labelledby-aria-describedby-support-popular-windows-browsers/
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From: Jim Allan
Date: Mon, May 08 2017 10:44AM
Subject: Re: JAWS/IE reading aria-labelledby and aria-describedby
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there is this
https://www.powermapper.com/tests/screen-readers/aria/
On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:59 AM, King,Ellen via WebAIM-Forum <
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> Does JAWS in IE read aria-labelledby and aria-describedby reliably? I
> found this article and wonder if any progress has been made or if a status
> has been issued. https://www.paciellogroup.com/
> blog/2014/06/aria-labelledby-aria-describedby-support-
> popular-windows-browsers/
>
> Ellen King
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> 610-669-6212
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From: Detlev Fischer
Date: Tue, May 09 2017 3:33AM
Subject: Re: JAWS/IE reading aria-labelledby and aria-describedby
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I did a quick screen reader test on an example that uses aria-labelledby to concatenate several text nodes ncluding the text input that is being labelled.
http://www.3needs.org/en/testing/code/aria-labelledby-1.html
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Jim Allan schrieb am 08.05.2017 18:44:
> there is this
> https://www.powermapper.com/tests/screen-readers/aria/
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:59 AM, King,Ellen via WebAIM-Forum <
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>> Does JAWS in IE read aria-labelledby and aria-describedby reliably? I
>> found this article and wonder if any progress has been made or if a status
>> has been issued. https://www.paciellogroup.com/
>> blog/2014/06/aria-labelledby-aria-describedby-support-
>> popular-windows-browsers/
>>
>> Ellen King
>> Vanguard, Accessibility Office
>> 610-669-6212
>>
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> 1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
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From: Jonathan Whiting
Date: Mon, May 15 2017 1:42PM
Subject: Re: JAWS/IE reading aria-labelledby and aria-describedby
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On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 3:33 AM, Detlev Fischer < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:
> I did a quick screen reader test on an example that uses aria-labelledby
> to concatenate several text nodes ncluding the text input that is being
> labelled.
> http://www.3needs.org/en/testing/code/aria-labelledby-1.html
I think it is great when people take the time to create test cases.
However, the results posted on this test page didn't seem consistent with
my experiences testing aria-labelledby, so I did a bit of digging and found
some issues with the results reported for Chrome, IE/JAWS, and
Safari/VoiceOver on Mac.
The Chrome problem (reading part of the label 4 times) is a result of the
use of duplicate id attributes in the examples. When I address this, it
reads correctly. I think the IE 11/JAWS issue is caused by starting JAWS
after the page was already open in IE. If you open JAWS before the browser
(which I believe is the recommended order), it reads correctly. Safari for
Mac/VoiceOver behaves correctly for me; I have no idea what the difference
might be between our testing methods here. My results for Firefox and IE
11/NVDA were the same. I didn't test iOS
So Firefox, Chrome, IE 11/JAWS, and Safari/VoiceOver read correctly. It
looks like there have been significant improvements since the 2014 TPG
article.
Jonathan
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From: Detlev Fischer
Date: Mon, May 15 2017 10:48PM
Subject: Re: JAWS/IE reading aria-labelledby and aria-describedby
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Thanks Jonathan, good catch! I will update the example to modify the ids, start JAWS before the browser, and update results!
Detlev
> On 15 May 2017, at 21:42, Jonathan Whiting < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 3:33 AM, Detlev Fischer < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
>
>> I did a quick screen reader test on an example that uses aria-labelledby
>> to concatenate several text nodes ncluding the text input that is being
>> labelled.
>> http://www.3needs.org/en/testing/code/aria-labelledby-1.html
>
>
> I think it is great when people take the time to create test cases.
> However, the results posted on this test page didn't seem consistent with
> my experiences testing aria-labelledby, so I did a bit of digging and found
> some issues with the results reported for Chrome, IE/JAWS, and
> Safari/VoiceOver on Mac.
>
> The Chrome problem (reading part of the label 4 times) is a result of the
> use of duplicate id attributes in the examples. When I address this, it
> reads correctly. I think the IE 11/JAWS issue is caused by starting JAWS
> after the page was already open in IE. If you open JAWS before the browser
> (which I believe is the recommended order), it reads correctly. Safari for
> Mac/VoiceOver behaves correctly for me; I have no idea what the difference
> might be between our testing methods here. My results for Firefox and IE
> 11/NVDA were the same. I didn't test iOS
>
> So Firefox, Chrome, IE 11/JAWS, and Safari/VoiceOver read correctly. It
> looks like there have been significant improvements since the 2014 TPG
> article.
>
> Jonathan
>
> Jonathan Whiting
> WebAIM.org
> > > >
From: Detlev Fischer
Date: Tue, May 16 2017 10:47AM
Subject: Re: JAWS/IE reading aria-labelledby and aria-describedby
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I have updated the aria-labelledby test cases and re-tested -
http://www.3needs.org/en/testing/code/aria-labelledby-1.html
Results now indeed show that support for aria-labelledby used for concatenating labels from multiple text nodes is quite good with JAWS across main browsers, and with NVDA on browsers except IE. Doesn't seem to work on iOS/Safari yet (I assume you referred to macOS/Safari/VoiceOver, Jonathan?)
Jonathan, thanks again for catching this - I'll try to be more careful with setting up examples next time!
Detlev
>
>
> I think it is great when people take the time to create test cases.
> However, the results posted on this test page didn't seem consistent with
> my experiences testing aria-labelledby, so I did a bit of digging and found
> some issues with the results reported for Chrome, IE/JAWS, and
> Safari/VoiceOver on Mac.
>
> The Chrome problem (reading part of the label 4 times) is a result of the
> use of duplicate id attributes in the examples. When I address this, it
> reads correctly. I think the IE 11/JAWS issue is caused by starting JAWS
> after the page was already open in IE. If you open JAWS before the browser
> (which I believe is the recommended order), it reads correctly. Safari for
> Mac/VoiceOver behaves correctly for me; I have no idea what the difference
> might be between our testing methods here. My results for Firefox and IE
> 11/NVDA were the same. I didn't test iOS
>
> So Firefox, Chrome, IE 11/JAWS, and Safari/VoiceOver read correctly. It
> looks like there have been significant improvements since the 2014 TPG
> article.
>
> Jonathan
>
> Jonathan Whiting
> WebAIM.org
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