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From: Mark Magennis
Date: Fri, Sep 29 2017 2:28AM
Subject: Hmmm, JAWS repeats link and button text
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Dear all,

A conundrum. Using the code below, when JAWS reads the button, it first repeats the link text and the button text before reading the button label. Removing the tabindex prevents this. Anyone know why the tabindex has this effect? And what can be done to prevent it? Apart from removing the tabindex.

<div tabindex="-1">
<a href="www.google.com <http://www.google.com/>;">Go somewhere</a>
<button aria-label="Press me"></button>
</div>

Thanks,
Mark

Mark Magennis | Accessibility Support Manager
InterAccess.ie - Accessible UX

From: Steve Faulkner
Date: Fri, Sep 29 2017 2:58AM
Subject: Re: Hmmm, JAWS repeats link and button text
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Hi mark, I cannot replicate the behaviour using JAWS 18 with Firefox 55

test case used: https://s.codepen.io/stevef/debug/aLwZjM

--

Regards

SteveF
Current Standards Work @W3C
<http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-standards-work-at-w3c/>;

On 29 September 2017 at 09:28, Mark Magennis < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> A conundrum. Using the code below, when JAWS reads the button, it first
> repeats the link text and the button text before reading the button label.
> Removing the tabindex prevents this. Anyone know why the tabindex has this
> effect? And what can be done to prevent it? Apart from removing the
> tabindex.
>
> <div tabindex="-1">
> <a href="www.google.com <http://www.google.com/>;">Go
> somewhere</a>
> <button aria-label="Press me"></button>
> </div>
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> Mark Magennis | Accessibility Support Manager
> InterAccess.ie - Accessible UX
>
> > > > >

From: Mark Magennis
Date: Fri, Sep 29 2017 3:10AM
Subject: Re: Hmmm, JAWS repeats link and button text
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You're right Steve. It's not a problem in FF or Chrome. Only in IE (I'm using IE11).

I remember reading somewhere about JAWS actually adding tabindex="-1" when using IE. This isn't the case here though. The tabindex is there from the start.

Mark

> On 29 Sep 2017, at 09:58, Steve Faulkner < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Hi mark, I cannot replicate the behaviour using JAWS 18 with Firefox 55
>
> test case used: https://s.codepen.io/stevef/debug/aLwZjM
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards
>
> SteveF
> Current Standards Work @W3C
> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-standards-work-at-w3c/>;
>
> On 29 September 2017 at 09:28, Mark Magennis < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> A conundrum. Using the code below, when JAWS reads the button, it first
>> repeats the link text and the button text before reading the button label.
>> Removing the tabindex prevents this. Anyone know why the tabindex has this
>> effect? And what can be done to prevent it? Apart from removing the
>> tabindex.
>>
>> <div tabindex="-1">
>> <a href="www.google.com <http://www.google.com/>;">Go
>> somewhere</a>
>> <button aria-label="Press me"></button>
>> </div>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mark
>>
>> Mark Magennis | Accessibility Support Manager
>> InterAccess.ie - Accessible UX
>>
>> >> >> >> >>
> > > >

From: Steve Faulkner
Date: Fri, Sep 29 2017 3:18AM
Subject: Re: Hmmm, JAWS repeats link and button text
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Hi mark, the reason i think it occurs is that IE exposes the link label as
the accessible name for the div (when it has tabindex="-1") This is not the
case in Firefox.

So i think its a bug in IE, which won't be fixed.

it can be suppressed by adding aria-label="" to the div
https://codepen.io/stevef/pen/aLwZjM

--

Regards

SteveF
Current Standards Work @W3C
<http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-standards-work-at-w3c/>;

On 29 September 2017 at 10:10, Mark Magennis < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> You're right Steve. It's not a problem in FF or Chrome. Only in IE (I'm
> using IE11).
>
> I remember reading somewhere about JAWS actually adding tabindex="-1" when
> using IE. This isn't the case here though. The tabindex is there from the
> start.
>
> Mark
>
> > On 29 Sep 2017, at 09:58, Steve Faulkner < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi mark, I cannot replicate the behaviour using JAWS 18 with Firefox 55
> >
> > test case used: https://s.codepen.io/stevef/debug/aLwZjM
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > SteveF
> > Current Standards Work @W3C
> > <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-
> standards-work-at-w3c/>
> >
> > On 29 September 2017 at 09:28, Mark Magennis < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> A conundrum. Using the code below, when JAWS reads the button, it first
> >> repeats the link text and the button text before reading the button
> label.
> >> Removing the tabindex prevents this. Anyone know why the tabindex has
> this
> >> effect? And what can be done to prevent it? Apart from removing the
> >> tabindex.
> >>
> >> <div tabindex="-1">
> >> <a href="www.google.com <http://www.google.com/>;">Go
> >> somewhere</a>
> >> <button aria-label="Press me"></button>
> >> </div>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> Mark Magennis | Accessibility Support Manager
> >> InterAccess.ie - Accessible UX
> >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >

From: Mark Magennis
Date: Fri, Sep 29 2017 4:00AM
Subject: Re: Hmmm, JAWS repeats link and button text
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Steve you're a genius. Both for the explanation and the fix. Huge thanks.

Mark

Mark Magennis | Accessibility Support Manager
InterAccess.ie - Accessible UX

> On 29 Sep 2017, at 10:18, Steve Faulkner < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Hi mark, the reason i think it occurs is that IE exposes the link label as
> the accessible name for the div (when it has tabindex="-1") This is not the
> case in Firefox.
>
> So i think its a bug in IE, which won't be fixed.
>
> it can be suppressed by adding aria-label="" to the div
> https://codepen.io/stevef/pen/aLwZjM
>
>
> --
>
> Regards
>
> SteveF
> Current Standards Work @W3C
> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-standards-work-at-w3c/>;
>
> On 29 September 2017 at 10:10, Mark Magennis < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> You're right Steve. It's not a problem in FF or Chrome. Only in IE (I'm
>> using IE11).
>>
>> I remember reading somewhere about JAWS actually adding tabindex="-1" when
>> using IE. This isn't the case here though. The tabindex is there from the
>> start.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>> On 29 Sep 2017, at 09:58, Steve Faulkner < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi mark, I cannot replicate the behaviour using JAWS 18 with Firefox 55
>>>
>>> test case used: https://s.codepen.io/stevef/debug/aLwZjM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> SteveF
>>> Current Standards Work @W3C
>>> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-
>> standards-work-at-w3c/>
>>>
>>> On 29 September 2017 at 09:28, Mark Magennis < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> A conundrum. Using the code below, when JAWS reads the button, it first
>>>> repeats the link text and the button text before reading the button
>> label.
>>>> Removing the tabindex prevents this. Anyone know why the tabindex has
>> this
>>>> effect? And what can be done to prevent it? Apart from removing the
>>>> tabindex.
>>>>
>>>> <div tabindex="-1">
>>>> <a href="www.google.com <http://www.google.com/>;">Go
>>>> somewhere</a>
>>>> <button aria-label="Press me"></button>
>>>> </div>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> Mark Magennis | Accessibility Support Manager
>>>> InterAccess.ie - Accessible UX
>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
> > > >

From: Steve Faulkner
Date: Fri, Sep 29 2017 4:02AM
Subject: Re: Hmmm, JAWS repeats link and button text
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no worries, glad i could help out

--

Regards

SteveF
Current Standards Work @W3C
<http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-standards-work-at-w3c/>;

On 29 September 2017 at 11:00, Mark Magennis < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Steve you're a genius. Both for the explanation and the fix. Huge thanks.
>
> Mark
>
> Mark Magennis | Accessibility Support Manager
> InterAccess.ie - Accessible UX
>
> > On 29 Sep 2017, at 10:18, Steve Faulkner < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi mark, the reason i think it occurs is that IE exposes the link label
> as
> > the accessible name for the div (when it has tabindex="-1") This is not
> the
> > case in Firefox.
> >
> > So i think its a bug in IE, which won't be fixed.
> >
> > it can be suppressed by adding aria-label="" to the div
> > https://codepen.io/stevef/pen/aLwZjM
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > SteveF
> > Current Standards Work @W3C
> > <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-
> standards-work-at-w3c/>
> >
> > On 29 September 2017 at 10:10, Mark Magennis < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
> >
> >> You're right Steve. It's not a problem in FF or Chrome. Only in IE (I'm
> >> using IE11).
> >>
> >> I remember reading somewhere about JAWS actually adding tabindex="-1"
> when
> >> using IE. This isn't the case here though. The tabindex is there from
> the
> >> start.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >>> On 29 Sep 2017, at 09:58, Steve Faulkner < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi mark, I cannot replicate the behaviour using JAWS 18 with Firefox 55
> >>>
> >>> test case used: https://s.codepen.io/stevef/debug/aLwZjM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> SteveF
> >>> Current Standards Work @W3C
> >>> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-
> >> standards-work-at-w3c/>
> >>>
> >>> On 29 September 2017 at 09:28, Mark Magennis < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dear all,
> >>>>
> >>>> A conundrum. Using the code below, when JAWS reads the button, it
> first
> >>>> repeats the link text and the button text before reading the button
> >> label.
> >>>> Removing the tabindex prevents this. Anyone know why the tabindex has
> >> this
> >>>> effect? And what can be done to prevent it? Apart from removing the
> >>>> tabindex.
> >>>>
> >>>> <div tabindex="-1">
> >>>> <a href="www.google.com <http://www.google.com/>;">Go
> >>>> somewhere</a>
> >>>> <button aria-label="Press me"></button>
> >>>> </div>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Mark
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark Magennis | Accessibility Support Manager
> >>>> InterAccess.ie - Accessible UX
> >>>>
> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >