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From: Lisa Herman
Date: Fri, Oct 20 2023 9:59PM
Subject: WebAIM-Forum Digest, Vol 223, Issue 10
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> 1. Organizations: Help the U.S. government design with people
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> 2. Re: How to build Accessible design systems at the
> architecture design level? (Kevin Prince)
> 3. Re: How to build Accessible design systems at the
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> 4. AHG 2023 â 5 days left for early registration for the
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> Subject: [WebAIM] Organizations: Help the U.S. government design with
> people with disabilities
> The Technology Transformation Service is seeking input, participation, and
> partnership with disability-focused organizations to design and deliver
> products with people with disabilities.
> The General Services Administration's (GSA) Technology Transformation
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> Last year's AxeCon had a decent talk on this - you can access the
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From: Brian Ward
Date: Thu, Nov 02 2023 2:14PM
Subject: Re: WebAIM-Forum Digest, Vol 224, Issue 3
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With PowerPoint 365, there is a new Reading Order pane that allows you
correct the reading order without messing up the Selection Order (or view
order) of when objects appear on the screen. Before this version there was
only the Selection Order way to fix reading order.

<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/make-slides-easier-to-read-by-using-the-reading-order-pane-863b5c1c-4f19-45ec-96e6-93a6457f5e1c>
Microsoft - Make slides easier to read by using the Reading Order pane
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/make-slides-easier-to-read-by-using-the-reading-order-pane-863b5c1c-4f19-45ec-96e6-93a6457f5e1c>
Microsoft - video explanation of the above
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/video-create-slides-with-an-accessible-reading-order-794fc5da-f686-464d-8c29-1c6ab8515465>

Best,
Brian

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> 1. question about signing PDF documents (David Farough)
> 2. PowerPoint_Reading Order (Claire Forbes)
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> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 19:24:20 +0000
> Subject: [WebAIM] question about signing PDF documents
> Here is the scenario we have.
> We have a document with various sections that needs to be completed by
> different entities within our department.
> The employee fills out section a and signs it and then forwards same to
> the supervisor.
> The supervisor fills out section b and signs the document and send it to
> the next processer.
> There are sections c through k that need to be filled out by other
> entities.
>
> When I was testing this document, I noticed that after signing the
> document for the supervisor as well as the employee, I could no longer
> access the document using Acrobat reader.
> Is it possible that I caused this by signing twice?
> Acrobat reader was not activating the reading options dialogue which
> enabled my screen reader to access the document.
> I was however able to access the document with the usual screen reader
> access using Acrobat DC professional.
> Can anyone explain what might be happening here?
> Is there a setting that needs to be configured to allow subsequent
> processing following these signatures?
> Thanks for any thoughts on this
>
> David Farough
> Application Accessibility Coordinator
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> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 19:34:27 +0000
> Subject: [WebAIM] PowerPoint_Reading Order
> Good afternoon,
> Can anyone here assist with a PowerPoint reading order issue?
>
> There is a text box header situated above a text box of content - In the
> slide's alignment, the header is in front of the text box, but in the
> reading order it's reversed (#2 and #3 in the image below). When I switch
> them so they're correct in the reading order, that changes their alignment
> on the slide
> [cid:image001.png@01DA0DA1.A6ED0D60]
>
>
> Corrected reading order:
> [cid:image002.png@01DA0DA2.5B818990]
>
> Does anyone know how to fix this so that the reading order is correct
> without rearranging the slide content? Only think I can think to do is
> group them and give them alt text.
>
> Thank you!
> Claire
> > > > >

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From: Dax Castro
Date: Thu, Nov 02 2023 2:21PM
Subject: Re: WebAIM-Forum Digest, Vol 224, Issue 3
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That's not quite accurate while you do have a reading order panel. It does, in fact change the section pane order as well.

Thanks,
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] WebAIM-Forum Digest, Vol 224, Issue 3

With PowerPoint 365, there is a new Reading Order pane that allows you
correct the reading order without messing up the Selection Order (or view
order) of when objects appear on the screen. Before this version there was
only the Selection Order way to fix reading order.

<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/make-slides-easier-to-read-by-using-the-reading-order-pane-863b5c1c-4f19-45ec-96e6-93a6457f5e1c>
Microsoft - Make slides easier to read by using the Reading Order pane
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/make-slides-easier-to-read-by-using-the-reading-order-pane-863b5c1c-4f19-45ec-96e6-93a6457f5e1c>
Microsoft - video explanation of the above
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/video-create-slides-with-an-accessible-reading-order-794fc5da-f686-464d-8c29-1c6ab8515465>

Best,
Brian

*Brian Ward*
Instructional Technologist
Instructional Design and Technology
208-467-8359
Book a Meeting With Me <https://calendar.app.google/ecJNrPLxvaKMBjMY7>

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> 1. question about signing PDF documents (David Farough)
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> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 19:24:20 +0000
> Subject: [WebAIM] question about signing PDF documents
> Here is the scenario we have.
> We have a document with various sections that needs to be completed by
> different entities within our department.
> The employee fills out section a and signs it and then forwards same to
> the supervisor.
> The supervisor fills out section b and signs the document and send it to
> the next processer.
> There are sections c through k that need to be filled out by other
> entities.
>
> When I was testing this document, I noticed that after signing the
> document for the supervisor as well as the employee, I could no longer
> access the document using Acrobat reader.
> Is it possible that I caused this by signing twice?
> Acrobat reader was not activating the reading options dialogue which
> enabled my screen reader to access the document.
> I was however able to access the document with the usual screen reader
> access using Acrobat DC professional.
> Can anyone explain what might be happening here?
> Is there a setting that needs to be configured to allow subsequent
> processing following these signatures?
> Thanks for any thoughts on this
>
> David Farough
> Application Accessibility Coordinator
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> Cc:
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> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 19:34:27 +0000
> Subject: [WebAIM] PowerPoint_Reading Order
> Good afternoon,
> Can anyone here assist with a PowerPoint reading order issue?
>
> There is a text box header situated above a text box of content - In the
> slide's alignment, the header is in front of the text box, but in the
> reading order it's reversed (#2 and #3 in the image below). When I switch
> them so they're correct in the reading order, that changes their alignment
> on the slide
> [cid:image001.png@01DA0DA1.A6ED0D60]
>
>
> Corrected reading order:
> [cid:image002.png@01DA0DA2.5B818990]
>
> Does anyone know how to fix this so that the reading order is correct
> without rearranging the slide content? Only think I can think to do is
> group them and give them alt text.
>
> Thank you!
> Claire
> > > > >

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From: Steve Green
Date: Thu, Nov 02 2023 4:19PM
Subject: Re: WebAIM-Forum Digest, Vol 224, Issue 3
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Changing the reading order didn't used to change the selection panel order, although it does now. If you're using an old version of Office, such as 2016 or 2019, it's possible that the two reading orders will not be linked. I don't know when that changed.

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Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd

From: Hayward, Craig Edward
Date: Tue, Nov 14 2023 1:01PM
Subject: Re: WebAIM-Forum Digest, Vol 224, Issue 13
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I would say not to nest things within figure tags. Just keep in mind that screen readers/assistive technology interpret things linearly. So, things are read from the top down. Potentially nesting any tag (a list) within another tag (a figure) makes it invisible from the accessibility tree in the PDF document. It will be skipped over.

C

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