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From: Rebecca Weber
Date: Tue, Oct 08 2024 9:58AM
Subject: Google Sites Accessibility
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Hello everyone!
I hope this email finds you well. I am providing feedback on a Google site. There are many documents imbedded onto the site, including PDFs. When the screen reader gets to a document on the site, it will announce page 1 of X and will continue to advance to the next page, depending on how large the document is. The documents open in a preview on the site. The controls to open the document in Google Drive aren't in the tab order. I don't have experience editing a Google site, so don't know if there is a way to bring this control into the tab order and give it an accessible name. I suggested just linking the documents onto the site. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
Thank you,
Rebecca
Rebecca Weber
Accessibility Specialist
Pronouns: She/her/hers
Pennsylvania Training and Technical Assistance Network
6340 Flank Dr
Harrisburg, PA 17112
Phone: 717-901-2284
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From: Dean.Vasile
Date: Tue, Oct 08 2024 10:43AM
Subject: Re: Google Sites Accessibility
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Hello Rebecca.
As well I hope this message finds you doing well.
Personally, if I have the option to open a PDF I will try to open it in Adobe.
I have found that with Google Chrome and/or Microsoft edge for example it is very difficult to navigate PDFs, especially with a screen reader, as I am a screen reader user
If you are unable to do that
I’m not exactly sure how to tell you to proceed
Good luck
Dean Vasile
IAAP, CPACC
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> On Oct 8, 2024, at 11:58 AM, Rebecca Weber < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Hello everyone!
> I hope this email finds you well. I am providing feedback on a Google site. There are many documents imbedded onto the site, including PDFs. When the screen reader gets to a document on the site, it will announce page 1 of X and will continue to advance to the next page, depending on how large the document is. The documents open in a preview on the site. The controls to open the document in Google Drive aren't in the tab order. I don't have experience editing a Google site, so don't know if there is a way to bring this control into the tab order and give it an accessible name. I suggested just linking the documents onto the site. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
> Thank you,
> Rebecca
>
>
> Rebecca Weber
>
> Accessibility Specialist
>
> Pronouns: She/her/hers
>
> Pennsylvania Training and Technical Assistance Network
>
> 6340 Flank Dr
>
> Harrisburg, PA 17112
>
> Phone: 717-901-2284
>
> Email: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>
> www.pattan.net<;http://www.pattan.net>;
>
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> > > >
From: jp Jamous
Date: Tue, Oct 08 2024 11:12AM
Subject: Re: Google Sites Accessibility
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Based on my humble experience as a screen reader user, opening any file using a browser is still not as accessible as opening that file with the proper application. Whether it is a PDF, Excel, Word or PowerPoint, there is always readability concerns with browser-based applications. Even when I open files through Microsoft Teams or OneDrive, I always set Windows to open them with the proper desktop application. I won't go into the technical part of it in order to keep my response simple. It is primarily a technical limitation on the screen reader's side, due to how it recognizes foreground applications.
As a Digital Accessibility Engineer, I tell developers, UX Designers and A11Y engineers to always recommend the use of desktop-base applications to open PDF, Doc or PPT files. Sure a flat-head screw driver can be used with a Phillips screw head. However, it is not a robust tool like a proper Phillips screw driver. The point is to use the proper tool for the proper file type. That's where many A11Y defects can be eliminated.
From: Duff Johnson
Date: Tue, Oct 08 2024 11:15AM
Subject: Re: Google Sites Accessibility
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Hi Rebecca,
Browsers, even though they all include PDF viewers, are notorious for ignoring PDF’s accessibility features. This is, sadly, a business decision… but I digress.
Accordingly, to be friendlier to users who require the file to be on their desktop in order to read it, it might be best to offer an additional link to “Download the file” using the standard HTML attribute as documented, for example, here:
https://www.w3schools.com/howto/howto_html_download_link.asp
Duff.
> On Oct 8, 2024, at 11:58, Rebecca Weber < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Hello everyone!
> I hope this email finds you well. I am providing feedback on a Google site. There are many documents imbedded onto the site, including PDFs. When the screen reader gets to a document on the site, it will announce page 1 of X and will continue to advance to the next page, depending on how large the document is. The documents open in a preview on the site. The controls to open the document in Google Drive aren't in the tab order. I don't have experience editing a Google site, so don't know if there is a way to bring this control into the tab order and give it an accessible name. I suggested just linking the documents onto the site. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
> Thank you,
> Rebecca
>
>
> Rebecca Weber
>
> Accessibility Specialist
>
> Pronouns: She/her/hers
>
> Pennsylvania Training and Technical Assistance Network
>
> 6340 Flank Dr
>
> Harrisburg, PA 17112
>
> Phone: 717-901-2284
>
> Email: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>
> www.pattan.net<;http://www.pattan.net>;
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From: Rebecca Weber
Date: Tue, Oct 08 2024 11:16AM
Subject: Re: Google Sites Accessibility
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Hello there,
Thanks for your message. Yes, as a screen reader user, I agree.
Rebecca Weber
Accessibility Specialist
Pronouns: She/her/hers
Pennsylvania Training and Technical Assistance Network
6340 Flank Dr
Harrisburg, PA 17112
Phone: 717-901-2284
Email: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
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Based on my humble experience as a screen reader user, opening any file using a browser is still not as accessible as opening that file with the proper application. Whether it is a PDF, Excel, Word or PowerPoint, there is always readability concerns with browser-based applications. Even when I open files through Microsoft Teams or OneDrive, I always set Windows to open them with the proper desktop application. I won't go into the technical part of it in order to keep my response simple. It is primarily a technical limitation on the screen reader's side, due to how it recognizes foreground applications.
As a Digital Accessibility Engineer, I tell developers, UX Designers and A11Y engineers to always recommend the use of desktop-base applications to open PDF, Doc or PPT files. Sure a flat-head screw driver can be used with a Phillips screw head. However, it is not a robust tool like a proper Phillips screw driver. The point is to use the proper tool for the proper file type. That's where many A11Y defects can be eliminated.
From: Rebecca Weber
Date: Tue, Oct 08 2024 11:18AM
Subject: Re: Google Sites Accessibility
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Hi Duff,
Thank you. I will pass this along.
Rebecca Weber
Accessibility Specialist
Pronouns: She/her/hers
Pennsylvania Training and Technical Assistance Network
6340 Flank Dr
Harrisburg, PA 17112
Phone: 717-901-2284
Email: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
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Hi Rebecca,
Browsers, even though they all include PDF viewers, are notorious for ignoring PDF’s accessibility features. This is, sadly, a business decision… but I digress.
Accordingly, to be friendlier to users who require the file to be on their desktop in order to read it, it might be best to offer an additional link to “Download the file” using the standard HTML attribute as documented, for example, here:
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3schools.com%2Fhowto%2Fhowto_html_download_link.asp&data=05%7C02%7Crweber%40pattan.net%7C7b5430993f8f42ac6bef08dce7bce300%7C7a6f63a37ba64e6db5dbe193e5b4bd49%7C0%7C0%7C638640045691188169%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=EHpEtPWriVZw36GiLIzMGZPutlbJzlHLIrrBChuwHxM%3D&reserved=0<https://www.w3schools.com/howto/howto_html_download_link.asp>
Duff.
> On Oct 8, 2024, at 11:58, Rebecca Weber < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Hello everyone!
> I hope this email finds you well. I am providing feedback on a Google site. There are many documents imbedded onto the site, including PDFs. When the screen reader gets to a document on the site, it will announce page 1 of X and will continue to advance to the next page, depending on how large the document is. The documents open in a preview on the site. The controls to open the document in Google Drive aren't in the tab order. I don't have experience editing a Google site, so don't know if there is a way to bring this control into the tab order and give it an accessible name. I suggested just linking the documents onto the site. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
> Thank you,
> Rebecca
>
>
> Rebecca Weber
>
> Accessibility Specialist
>
> Pronouns: She/her/hers
>
> Pennsylvania Training and Technical Assistance Network
>
> 6340 Flank Dr
>
> Harrisburg, PA 17112
>
> Phone: 717-901-2284
>
> Email: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
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From: Ryan E. Benson
Date: Tue, Oct 08 2024 11:24AM
Subject: Re: Google Sites Accessibility
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Hi Rebecca
I reviewed a Google site which had embedded docs like you mentioned. I
instructed the author to change everything from an embed to a normal
link so that the user and their browser settings to do the work,
wether that is to open it in a tab, download, or automatically launch
the viewer of their choice.
--
Ryan E. Benson
On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 11:58 AM Rebecca Weber < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
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> Hello everyone!
> I hope this email finds you well. I am providing feedback on a Google site. There are many documents imbedded onto the site, including PDFs. When the screen reader gets to a document on the site, it will announce page 1 of X and will continue to advance to the next page, depending on how large the document is. The documents open in a preview on the site. The controls to open the document in Google Drive aren't in the tab order. I don't have experience editing a Google site, so don't know if there is a way to bring this control into the tab order and give it an accessible name. I suggested just linking the documents onto the site. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
> Thank you,
> Rebecca
>
>
> Rebecca Weber
>
> Accessibility Specialist
>
> Pronouns: She/her/hers
>
> Pennsylvania Training and Technical Assistance Network
>
> 6340 Flank Dr
>
> Harrisburg, PA 17112
>
> Phone: 717-901-2284
>
> Email: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>
> www.pattan.net<;http://www.pattan.net>;
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From: Karen McCall
Date: Tue, Oct 08 2024 12:22PM
Subject: Re: Google Sites Accessibility
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I'd add a link to a PDF reader/viewer as well so that the PDF doesn't open automatically in a browser even when downloaded. End users can then set the PDF reader/viewer as the default instead of the browser.
They may also need to go into their default browser and turn off opening a PDF in that browser. Each of the browsers (Edge, Firefox and chrome) have instructions on how to do this.
They don't make it easy!
Cheers, Karen
From: Rebecca Weber
Date: Tue, Oct 08 2024 12:23PM
Subject: Re: Google Sites Accessibility
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Hi Karen,
Thank you.
Rebecca Weber
Accessibility Specialist
Pronouns: She/her/hers
Pennsylvania Training and Technical Assistance Network
6340 Flank Dr
Harrisburg, PA 17112
Phone: 717-901-2284
Email: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
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I'd add a link to a PDF reader/viewer as well so that the PDF doesn't open automatically in a browser even when downloaded. End users can then set the PDF reader/viewer as the default instead of the browser.
They may also need to go into their default browser and turn off opening a PDF in that browser. Each of the browsers (Edge, Firefox and chrome) have instructions on how to do this.
They don't make it easy!
Cheers, Karen