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From: marvin hunkin
Date: Thu, Aug 18 2005 6:20PM
Subject: website development advice please
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Hi.
for my webdesign online course at my college, developing a disability portal
site.
to bring together information, services, and products all in one place.
now doing my first version in html.
now have done titles for my links pages, and access keys.
now was wondering, will be doing also css and java script.
now for accessability, was wondering, is there a accessable flash software
or techniques to put flash to work with jaws and window eyes?
or should my final version also have say frames?
a left frame for my navigation, middle frame for the main content, right
frames for my links.
and a link which says click here for a text only version, which would be a
straight html version?
any web design gurus, let me know what you think and give me suggestions,
and guidelines where to go forward.
either e-mail me onlis or e-mail me privatley.
cheerss marvin.
visit my jaws australia group at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/JawsOz/
skype: masterblaster40
From: Austin, Darrel
Date: Fri, Aug 19 2005 9:00AM
Subject: RE: website development advice please
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> and access keys.
Note that access keys are often seen as an accessibility problem (see
previous threads from this week).
> now was wondering, will be doing also css and java script.
> now for accessability, was wondering, is there a accessable
> flash software or techniques to put flash to work with jaws
> and window eyes?
> or should my final version also have say frames?
> a left frame for my navigation, middle frame for the main
> content, right frames for my links.
Adding things like frames and flash are likely going to make your site
less accessible (and, arguably, more annoying).
It sounds like you are trying to use features for the sake of features.
Did you have a specific reason for using flash and/or frames? If so,
explain the context a bit more and we can offer some better advice.
-Darrel
From: Christian Heilmann
Date: Fri, Aug 19 2005 10:40AM
Subject: Re: website development advice please
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> > > now was wondering, will be doing also css and java script.
JavaScript. Java is to JavaScript what Car is to Carpet.
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From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Fri, Aug 19 2005 11:00AM
Subject: RE: website development advice please
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> > now was wondering, will be doing also css and java script.
> > now for accessability, was wondering, is there a accessable flash
> > software or techniques to put flash to work with jaws and
> window eyes?
> Adding things like frames and flash are likely going to make
> your site less accessible (and, arguably, more annoying).
For information about what flash is capable of and guidelines for
development, see http://www.macromedia.com/resources/accessibility/.
There is a document 'best practices for accessible flash design' that
will help clarify how Flash can be made accessibly.
That Flash can be used in annoying ways is certainly true, but let's not
categorically dismiss Flash as annoying and less accessible just because
of how some designers use it. You can make an argument that it is less
accessible, but please provide information about how you define
accessible. If you need the site to work for JAWS 3.7 then using Flash
will result in either inaccessible content or additional work on the
part of the developer to provide an alternative. If you are trying to
incorporate additional visual support for people with cognitive
disabilities, you may find Flash results in a more accessible
experience. If your audience includes users of newer versions of screen
readers, you can create an accessible experience for these and other
users.
> Did you have a specific reason for using flash and/or frames?
> If so, explain the context a bit more and we can offer some
> better advice.
Thank you for adding this, Darryl. The context is very important and is
the first question to ask - setting the objectives before choosing the
technology is important in web design, although there is overlap in what
different technologies are capable of.'
AWK
Andrew Kirkpatrick
Principal Accessibility Engineer, Macromedia
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From: abelang5
Date: Fri, Aug 19 2005 1:40PM
Subject: Re: website development advice please
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<P>A few resources to get you started...</P>
<P>How-tos <A href="http://www.w3schools.com">http://www.w3schools.com<;/A></P>
<P>Standards <A href="http://www.w3.org">http://www.w3.org<;/A></P>
<P>Accessibility guidelines & techniques <A href="http://www.w3.org/WAI">http://www.w3.org/WAI<;/A></P>
<P>Usability <A href="http://www.usability.gov">http://www.usability.gov<;/A> </P>
<P>Of further interest</P>
<P><A href="http://www.gawds.org">http://www.gawds.org<;/A> for accessible site examples and more</P>
<P><A href="http://www.accessify.com">http://www.accessify.com<;/A> especially the resources and tutorials sections</P>
<P><A href="http://www.alistapart.com">http://www.alistapart.com<;/A> for articles </P>
<P>And obviously, webaim.</P>
<P>For testing, the accessibility toolbar is definitely a great starting tool. </P>
<P>Also, make sure to avoid inline styles when using CSS and that your text decoration is text independent (a:active, a:focus). </P>
<P>Cheers,</P>
<P>Annie Belanger</P>
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