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From: Ilana Gordon
Date: Fri, Dec 18 2020 7:49AM
Subject: TOC Hyperlinks question
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Hello All,
A government client is complaining about hyperlinks not going to the
specific place on a page in a PDF. In other words, they want the reading to
begin at a specific place. As far as I know that is not possible.
If anyone has had this request and has some way to carry it out, I'd love
to know how to fulfill their request.
Regards,
Ilana
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Ilana Gordon
CEO
Word Wizards, Inc
8609 2nd Avenue, Unit 406-B
Silver Spring, MD 20910
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From: Swift, Daniel P.
Date: Fri, Dec 18 2020 7:54AM
Subject: Re: TOC Hyperlinks question
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Is this what you are looking for:
https://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/kb/link-html-pdf-page-acrobat.html
Example:
http://www.example.com/myfile.pdf#page=4
Daniel Swift, MBA
Senior Web Specialist
University Communications and Marketing
West Chester University
610.738.0589
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Subject: [WebAIM] TOC Hyperlinks question
Hello All,
A government client is complaining about hyperlinks not going to the
specific place on a page in a PDF. In other words, they want the reading to
begin at a specific place. As far as I know that is not possible.
If anyone has had this request and has some way to carry it out, I'd love
to know how to fulfill their request.
Regards,
Ilana
--
Ilana Gordon
CEO
Word Wizards, Inc
8609 2nd Avenue, Unit 406-B
Silver Spring, MD 20910
*v.*301-986-0808 *fax.*301-986-0809
*Direct: 240-380-2639*
www.wordwizardsinc.com<;http://www.wordwizardsinc.com>;
From: Ilana Gordon
Date: Fri, Dec 18 2020 8:01AM
Subject: Re: TOC Hyperlinks question
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Thanks but that's not it. The request is a link in the table of contents
that takes the reader to the beginning of the specific section or subhead
within a section and begins to read. This particular TOC doesn't have page
numbers but the list of the many sections within the document. Some pages
have multiple subheads on the same page. They want the reading to start
when taken to the link to a specific subhead within a specific page.
Ilana
On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 9:55 AM Swift, Daniel P. < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Is this what you are looking for:
>
> https://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/kb/link-html-pdf-page-acrobat.html
>
> Example:
> http://www.example.com/myfile.pdf#page=4
>
> Daniel Swift, MBA
> Senior Web Specialist
> University Communications and Marketing
> West Chester University
> 610.738.0589
>
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> Ilana Gordon
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 9:49 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: [WebAIM] TOC Hyperlinks question
>
> Hello All,
>
> A government client is complaining about hyperlinks not going to the
> specific place on a page in a PDF. In other words, they want the reading to
> begin at a specific place. As far as I know that is not possible.
>
> If anyone has had this request and has some way to carry it out, I'd love
> to know how to fulfill their request.
>
> Regards,
> Ilana
>
> --
> Ilana Gordon
> CEO
> Word Wizards, Inc
> 8609 2nd Avenue, Unit 406-B
> Silver Spring, MD 20910
> *v.*301-986-0808 *fax.*301-986-0809
> *Direct: 240-380-2639*
> www.wordwizardsinc.com<;http://www.wordwizardsinc.com>;
> > > http://list.webaim.org>;
> > http://webaim.org/discussion/archives>;
> > = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > > > >
--
Ilana Gordon
CEO
Word Wizards, Inc
8609 2nd Avenue, Unit 406-B
Silver Spring, MD 20910
*v.*301-986-0808 *fax.*301-986-0809
*Direct: 240-380-2639*
www.wordwizardsinc.com
From: Steve Green
Date: Fri, Dec 18 2020 8:09AM
Subject: Re: TOC Hyperlinks question
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The "Open a PDF file to a set destination" section of the link that Daniel provided does do what you want, but you need to set your TOC links to point to the destinations rather than pages.
However, it is very time consuming to set up all the destinations one at a time, so we use axesPDF QuickFix to automatically create them from the headings all at once. You still need to fix all the TOC links, but that takes no time at all.
Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd
From: Ilana Gordon
Date: Fri, Dec 18 2020 8:25AM
Subject: Re: TOC Hyperlinks question
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Thanks Steve.
We've also tried another option which is to create proper links in Word and
when exported to PDF we get similar results but the proviso is to make sure
the user is in scroll view.
We have axesPDF. Are you saying that if we do it the way you suggest the
reading will start from that point?
Thanks,
Ilana
On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 10:09 AM Steve Green < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:
> The "Open a PDF file to a set destination" section of the link that Daniel
> provided does do what you want, but you need to set your TOC links to point
> to the destinations rather than pages.
>
> However, it is very time consuming to set up all the destinations one at a
> time, so we use axesPDF QuickFix to automatically create them from the
> headings all at once. You still need to fix all the TOC links, but that
> takes no time at all.
>
> Steve Green
> Managing Director
> Test Partners Ltd
>
>
>
From: Steve Green
Date: Fri, Dec 18 2020 8:33AM
Subject: Re: TOC Hyperlinks question
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Yes, the reading starts from that point. I only use "single page view" and the links work fine in that view. I see no reason why they wouldn't also work in "scroll view".
Steve
From: Kathryn.Frederick
Date: Fri, Dec 18 2020 8:45AM
Subject: Re: TOC Hyperlinks question
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Thank you for this question and information. I too have been trying to figure this out; as I am working on a PDF document. Is AxesPDF free?
Katie Frederick, Program Administrator
Bureau of Services for the Visually Impaired
Opportunities for Ohioans with Disabilities
From: Steve Green
Date: Fri, Dec 18 2020 8:48AM
Subject: Re: TOC Hyperlinks question
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Sadly, axesPDF is very expensive. However, it's well worth the cost if you do a lot of PDF remediation.
Steve
From: Kathryn.Frederick
Date: Fri, Dec 18 2020 8:50AM
Subject: Re: TOC Hyperlinks question
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Good to know, thank you. And, without that tool, you're saying it's very time consuming to enable the TOC links to work correctly for screen reader users?
Thanks again,
Katie Frederick, Program Administrator
Bureau of Services for the Visually Impaired
Opportunities for Ohioans with Disabilities
From: Laura Fathauer
Date: Fri, Dec 18 2020 9:19AM
Subject: Re: TOC Hyperlinks question
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This might be better solved by using the bookmarks feature?
Laura
From: Steve Green
Date: Fri, Dec 18 2020 9:44AM
Subject: Re: TOC Hyperlinks question
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It depends how many TOC links you have. It's not too bad if it's 7 or 8. However, I have worked on documents where the TOC contained upwards of 50 links, and it would take hours to create all the destinations.
Steve
From: Philip Kiff
Date: Fri, Dec 18 2020 10:03AM
Subject: Re: TOC Hyperlinks question
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I have had many troubles with Tables of Contents and have found that the
AxesPDF QuickFix solution is usually a good one - though I found very
little documentation on how to use this feature correctly, and still
find it a bit of trial and error to get it right.
Ilana wrote:
> We've also tried another option which is to create proper links in Word and when exported to PDF we get similar results but the proviso is to make sure the user is in scroll view.
I wasn't aware of the limitation with the scroll view, but I have also
found that if you use an automatically generated Table of Contents in
Microsoft Word (one that is not edited at all after generating it), then
the ToC links seem to take screen readers to the correct heading
location within a page.
But you cannot make any edits to those links after you generate the PDF.
If you later need to edit links in a PDF generated this way, then the
destination no longer works and sometimes the link breaks entirely, so
you have to create new destinations for each link again manually. Which,
as Steve points out, can be very very laborious. I sometimes work with
documents that have Tables of Contents with 100 or more links, running
several pages long.
Phil.
On 2020-12-18 10:50, = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = wrote:
> Good to know, thank you. And, without that tool, you're saying it's very time consuming to enable the TOC links to work correctly for screen reader users?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Katie Frederick, Program Administrator
> Bureau of Services for the Visually Impaired
> Opportunities for Ohioans with Disabilities
>
>