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From: Karen McCall
Date: Wed, Feb 01 2023 6:16AM
Subject: PDF and the User Experience Survey 2023 Now Available
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Morning Everyone!
The last PDF and the User Experience Survey was 2018. Has anything changed in the accessibility of PDFs? I'd like to get an update on the state of accessible PDFs in 2023.
Please share this link with anyone who might be interested in responding to the survey.
https://forms.office.com/r/yH0QE4gqTp
Later this spring I will be releasing the PDF Remediator's Survey which hasn't been taken since 2017.
Cheers, Karen
From: Laura Roberts
Date: Thu, Feb 02 2023 6:27AM
Subject: Re: PDF and the User Experience Survey 2023 Now Available
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Karen, I suggest posting the user survey on Reddit in r/accessibility.
https://www.reddit.com/r/accessibility/
Laura
On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 8:16 AM Karen McCall < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Morning Everyone!
>
> The last PDF and the User Experience Survey was 2018. Has anything changed
> in the accessibility of PDFs? I'd like to get an update on the state of
> accessible PDFs in 2023.
>
> Please share this link with anyone who might be interested in responding
> to the survey.
>
> https://forms.office.com/r/yH0QE4gqTp
>
> Later this spring I will be releasing the PDF Remediator's Survey which
> hasn't been taken since 2017.
>
> Cheers, Karen
> > > > >
--
Best regards,
Laura Roberts
413-588-8422
From: Karen McCall
Date: Thu, Feb 02 2023 6:38AM
Subject: Re: PDF and the User Experience Survey 2023 Now Available
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Thanks, I only have a twitter and LinkedIn account. Please share on other social media if you have accounts.
Cheers, Karen
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From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Laura Roberts
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 8:27 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF and the User Experience Survey 2023 Now Available
Karen, I suggest posting the user survey on Reddit in r/accessibility.
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Faccessibility%2F&data%7C01%7C%7Cf47f683c277e48f52ba208db052139ae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638109412495491204%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=z3cCFohj0FDv2yUDwldEEBNG2EQF1R60b6HXBp8oMu0%3D&reserved=0
Laura
On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 8:16 AM Karen McCall < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Morning Everyone!
>
> The last PDF and the User Experience Survey was 2018. Has anything
> changed in the accessibility of PDFs? I'd like to get an update on the
> state of accessible PDFs in 2023.
>
> Please share this link with anyone who might be interested in
> responding to the survey.
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforms
> .office.com%2Fr%2FyH0QE4gqTp&data%7C01%7C%7Cf47f683c277e48f52ba208d
> b052139ae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638109412495491
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> TpFl0Ibz7WOaKvqX5EY1pc%3D&reserved=0
>
> Later this spring I will be releasing the PDF Remediator's Survey
> which hasn't been taken since 2017.
>
> Cheers, Karen
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist.w
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> 0juxc8%3D&reserved=0 List archives at
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> >
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Best regards,
Laura Roberts
413-588-8422
From: Steve Green
Date: Thu, Feb 02 2023 7:30AM
Subject: Re: PDF and the User Experience Survey 2023 Now Available
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I posted the link to a forum for visually impaired people. One screen reader user said he started to fill in the questionnaire but abandoned it because of the behaviour of the Country combobox. He said the form is a little bit sluggish when you select your country and the combobox does not support first letter navigation, so you have to scroll through the entire list. Another screen reader user said they could not scroll past Portugal.
I had a quick look and can see that the form uses a custom combobox rather than a native HTML element. It is not constructed correctly and I can confirm that it does not support first letter navigation. This is surprising and disappointing because Microsoft Forms was one of the most accessible form builder applications when we tested some a couple of years ago.
I also verified that you cannot navigate past Portugal using keyboard controls, with or without a screen reader. This appears to be because Portugal is listed twice in the dropdown list. However, you can't even delete one instance in the DOM Inspector because it immediately gets added back in again.
Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd
-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Karen McCall
Sent: 02 February 2023 13:39
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF and the User Experience Survey 2023 Now Available
Thanks, I only have a twitter and LinkedIn account. Please share on other social media if you have accounts.
Cheers, Karen
-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Laura Roberts
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 8:27 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF and the User Experience Survey 2023 Now Available
Karen, I suggest posting the user survey on Reddit in r/accessibility.
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Faccessibility%2F&data%7C01%7C%7Cf47f683c277e48f52ba208db052139ae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638109412495491204%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=z3cCFohj0FDv2yUDwldEEBNG2EQF1R60b6HXBp8oMu0%3D&reserved=0
Laura
On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 8:16 AM Karen McCall < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Morning Everyone!
>
> The last PDF and the User Experience Survey was 2018. Has anything
> changed in the accessibility of PDFs? I'd like to get an update on the
> state of accessible PDFs in 2023.
>
> Please share this link with anyone who might be interested in
> responding to the survey.
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforms
> .office.com%2Fr%2FyH0QE4gqTp&data%7C01%7C%7Cf47f683c277e48f52ba208d
> b052139ae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638109412495491
> 204%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTi
> I6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=9obZLt4e%2FK5ygHyLPZ6JW
> TpFl0Ibz7WOaKvqX5EY1pc%3D&reserved=0
>
> Later this spring I will be releasing the PDF Remediator's Survey
> which hasn't been taken since 2017.
>
> Cheers, Karen
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist.w
> ebaim.org%2F&data%7C01%7C%7Cf47f683c277e48f52ba208db052139ae%7C84df
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> 0juxc8%3D&reserved=0 List archives at
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> >
--
Best regards,
Laura Roberts
413-588-8422
From: Karen McCall
Date: Thu, Feb 02 2023 9:40AM
Subject: Re: PDF and the User Experience Survey 2023 Now Available
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Thanks Steve. Iâll try to fix it and Iâll log a bug with Microsoft.
Cheers, Karen
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From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > on behalf of Steve Green < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 9:30:11 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF and the User Experience Survey 2023 Now Available
I posted the link to a forum for visually impaired people. One screen reader user said he started to fill in the questionnaire but abandoned it because of the behaviour of the Country combobox. He said the form is a little bit sluggish when you select your country and the combobox does not support first letter navigation, so you have to scroll through the entire list. Another screen reader user said they could not scroll past Portugal.
I had a quick look and can see that the form uses a custom combobox rather than a native HTML element. It is not constructed correctly and I can confirm that it does not support first letter navigation. This is surprising and disappointing because Microsoft Forms was one of the most accessible form builder applications when we tested some a couple of years ago.
I also verified that you cannot navigate past Portugal using keyboard controls, with or without a screen reader. This appears to be because Portugal is listed twice in the dropdown list. However, you can't even delete one instance in the DOM Inspector because it immediately gets added back in again.
Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd
-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Karen McCall
Sent: 02 February 2023 13:39
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF and the User Experience Survey 2023 Now Available
Thanks, I only have a twitter and LinkedIn account. Please share on other social media if you have accounts.
Cheers, Karen
-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Laura Roberts
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 8:27 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF and the User Experience Survey 2023 Now Available
Karen, I suggest posting the user survey on Reddit in r/accessibility.
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Faccessibility%2F&data%7C01%7C%7C2412dcea16884d7a0ff908db052a02df%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638109450234786779%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=C%2FSPASWjRb5f5PZ4b8nrt%2BiEdpUihEZHOVkpzYd7LVg%3D&reserved=0
Laura
On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 8:16 AM Karen McCall < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Morning Everyone!
>
> The last PDF and the User Experience Survey was 2018. Has anything
> changed in the accessibility of PDFs? I'd like to get an update on the
> state of accessible PDFs in 2023.
>
> Please share this link with anyone who might be interested in
> responding to the survey.
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforms%2F&data%7C01%7C%7C2412dcea16884d7a0ff908db052a02df%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638109450234943432%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=PIjaeo2qEb4yq6iI4jAbRG8SM5n7QNA1CtSYgivoAgs%3D&reserved=0
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> TpFl0Ibz7WOaKvqX5EY1pc%3D&reserved=0
>
> Later this spring I will be releasing the PDF Remediator's Survey
> which hasn't been taken since 2017.
>
> Cheers, Karen
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flist.w%2F&data%7C01%7C%7C2412dcea16884d7a0ff908db052a02df%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638109450234943432%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=QveEZL46HgzX%2FIuBCUAc93cERVvl%2BcqssvJ%2BpJjhkts%3D&reserved=0
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Best regards,
Laura Roberts
413-588-8422