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From: Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001
Date: Sun, Apr 09 2006 2:20AM
Subject: Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
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I'm currently working on some research into Flash accessibility and have found a bizarre problem when combining content built in Flash 8 (published as 7). When I tab through the movie in Internet Explorer with JAWS (4.51) not running, the tab order is as programmed (every instance has a tab index set, and there are no static text instances). But when JAWS is turned on, the tab order is thrown out the window and entire instances are not accessible when using the tab key.
Has anyone experienced this issue, and has a possible solution?
Cheers,
Marty
From: Jared Smith
Date: Sun, Apr 09 2006 8:50AM
Subject: Re: Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
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Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001 wrote:
> I'm currently working on some research into Flash accessibility and have
> found a bizarre problem when combining content built in Flash 8
> (published as 7). When I tab through the movie in Internet Explorer with
> JAWS (4.51) not running, the tab order is as programmed (every instance
> has a tab index set, and there are no static text instances). But when
> JAWS is turned on, the tab order is thrown out the window and entire
> instances are not accessible when using the tab key.
>
> Has anyone experienced this issue, and has a possible solution?
>
> Cheers,
> Marty
If I recall correctly, EVERY tabable (not sure that's a word, but...)
element must have the programmed tab index defined, otherwise Flash
ignores ALL of your programmed tab indexes. Take a close look, because
there's probably something in the interface that you haven't defined a tab
index for.
Jared
From: Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001
Date: Sun, Apr 09 2006 5:50PM
Subject: RE: Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
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Thanks Jared - I've already checked that - used the AccRepair tool and that says everything is fine. It's an odd one - when JAWS is off, the tab order is fine, but when JAWS is on, it misses parts.
It's a weird one...
Marty
________________________________
From: Jared Smith [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Mon 10/04/2006 12:14 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001 wrote:
> I'm currently working on some research into Flash accessibility and have
> found a bizarre problem when combining content built in Flash 8
> (published as 7). When I tab through the movie in Internet Explorer with
> JAWS (4.51) not running, the tab order is as programmed (every instance
> has a tab index set, and there are no static text instances). But when
> JAWS is turned on, the tab order is thrown out the window and entire
> instances are not accessible when using the tab key.
>
> Has anyone experienced this issue, and has a possible solution?
>
> Cheers,
> Marty
If I recall correctly, EVERY tabable (not sure that's a word, but...)
element must have the programmed tab index defined, otherwise Flash
ignores ALL of your programmed tab indexes. Take a close look, because
there's probably something in the interface that you haven't defined a tab
index for.
Jared
From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Sun, Apr 09 2006 8:10PM
Subject: RE: Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
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Marty,
It'd be useful to see the example. Can you send a link?
AWK
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Martin James - FRIMJ001
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 7:37 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List; WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Thanks Jared - I've already checked that - used the AccRepair
tool and that says everything is fine. It's an odd one - when JAWS is
off, the tab order is fine, but when JAWS is on, it misses parts.
It's a weird one...
Marty
________________________________
From: Jared Smith [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Mon 10/04/2006 12:14 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001 wrote:
> I'm currently working on some research into Flash
accessibility and have
> found a bizarre problem when combining content built in Flash
8
> (published as 7). When I tab through the movie in Internet
Explorer with
> JAWS (4.51) not running, the tab order is as programmed (every
instance
> has a tab index set, and there are no static text instances).
But when
> JAWS is turned on, the tab order is thrown out the window and
entire
> instances are not accessible when using the tab key.
>
> Has anyone experienced this issue, and has a possible
solution?
>
> Cheers,
> Marty
If I recall correctly, EVERY tabable (not sure that's a word,
but...)
element must have the programmed tab index defined, otherwise
Flash
ignores ALL of your programmed tab indexes. Take a close look,
because
there's probably something in the interface that you haven't
defined a tab
index for.
Jared
From: Jamie
Date: Mon, Apr 10 2006 12:10AM
Subject: RE: Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
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Hi soft has a special program to check flash called
Hi-caption. to me the report isn't as good as the
normal hi-soft report but it, unlike the repair
product, was made for flash. Here is the link.
http://www.hisoftware.com/hmcc/acc4mcc.html
--- Andrew Kirkpatrick < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Marty,
> It'd be useful to see the example. Can you send a
> link?
> AWK
>
>
> ________________________________
>
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> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of Friedel,
> Martin James - FRIMJ001
> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 7:37 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List; WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index
> and JAWS
>
>
> Thanks Jared - I've already checked that - used the
> AccRepair
> tool and that says everything is fine. It's an odd
> one - when JAWS is
> off, the tab order is fine, but when JAWS is on, it
> misses parts.
>
> It's a weird one...
> Marty
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Jared Smith [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> Sent: Mon 10/04/2006 12:14 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index
> and JAWS
>
>
>
> Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001 wrote:
> > I'm currently working on some research into Flash
> accessibility and have
> > found a bizarre problem when combining content
> built in Flash
> 8
> > (published as 7). When I tab through the movie in
> Internet
> Explorer with
> > JAWS (4.51) not running, the tab order is as
> programmed (every
> instance
> > has a tab index set, and there are no static text
> instances).
> But when
> > JAWS is turned on, the tab order is thrown out
> the window and
> entire
> > instances are not accessible when using the tab
> key.
> >
> > Has anyone experienced this issue, and has a
> possible
> solution?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Marty
>
> If I recall correctly, EVERY tabable (not sure
> that's a word,
> but...)
> element must have the programmed tab index defined,
> otherwise
> Flash
> ignores ALL of your programmed tab indexes. Take a
> close look,
> because
> there's probably something in the interface that
> you haven't
> defined a tab
> index for.
>
> Jared
>
>
>
>
> >
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From: Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001
Date: Mon, Apr 10 2006 5:50PM
Subject: RE: Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
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Andrew,
I'll send the documents to you when I get home from work. As the study is for my Honours component, and I'm still awaiting Ethics Approval, I can't put anything online for the public to see, so will email the parts to you later.
Cheers,
Marty
________________________________
From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Mon 10/04/2006 11:37 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Marty,
It'd be useful to see the example. Can you send a link?
AWK
________________________________
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 7:37 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List; WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Thanks Jared - I've already checked that - used the AccRepair tool and that says everything is fine. It's an odd one - when JAWS is off, the tab order is fine, but when JAWS is on, it misses parts.
It's a weird one...
Marty
________________________________
From: Jared Smith [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Mon 10/04/2006 12:14 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001 wrote:
> I'm currently working on some research into Flash accessibility and have
> found a bizarre problem when combining content built in Flash 8
> (published as 7). When I tab through the movie in Internet Explorer with
> JAWS (4.51) not running, the tab order is as programmed (every instance
> has a tab index set, and there are no static text instances). But when
> JAWS is turned on, the tab order is thrown out the window and entire
> instances are not accessible when using the tab key.
>
> Has anyone experienced this issue, and has a possible solution?
>
> Cheers,
> Marty
If I recall correctly, EVERY tabable (not sure that's a word, but...)
element must have the programmed tab index defined, otherwise Flash
ignores ALL of your programmed tab indexes. Take a close look, because
there's probably something in the interface that you haven't defined a tab
index for.
Jared
From: Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001
Date: Tue, Apr 11 2006 5:50AM
Subject: RE: Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
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Andrew,
Now this is an odd one - I can't actually replicate the lack of tab order now. The files I was working on are all working fine through JAWS.
There are a few other issues that you might be able to shed some light on however.
Firstly, I've noticed that when using JAWS it is is nearly impossible to use the keyboard for input (i.e. typing). I tried even entering in the day (Tuesday) into an input field with JAWS running and all I could actually type was 'ay'.
So that's one small issue - another is more complex and is still to do with the tab order, but the problem stems from components. I've found a blog entry on the web that discusses this issue, as well as a means to fixing it, however I've been unable to solve it. As soon as you introduce a component to the stage (or library even) the tab order is disregarded all together. I find this a little ironic given that these components are meant to be accessible, but it doesn't help when the component being used makes another accessibility feature cease to work. Do you have any suggestions in fixing this, or can shed some light onto we as developers can still use the Macromedia ready-made components and create accessible Flash content at the same time?
Cheers,
Marty
________________________________
From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Mon 10/04/2006 11:37 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Marty,
It'd be useful to see the example. Can you send a link?
AWK
________________________________
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 7:37 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List; WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Thanks Jared - I've already checked that - used the AccRepair tool and that says everything is fine. It's an odd one - when JAWS is off, the tab order is fine, but when JAWS is on, it misses parts.
It's a weird one...
Marty
________________________________
From: Jared Smith [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Mon 10/04/2006 12:14 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001 wrote:
> I'm currently working on some research into Flash accessibility and have
> found a bizarre problem when combining content built in Flash 8
> (published as 7). When I tab through the movie in Internet Explorer with
> JAWS (4.51) not running, the tab order is as programmed (every instance
> has a tab index set, and there are no static text instances). But when
> JAWS is turned on, the tab order is thrown out the window and entire
> instances are not accessible when using the tab key.
>
> Has anyone experienced this issue, and has a possible solution?
>
> Cheers,
> Marty
If I recall correctly, EVERY tabable (not sure that's a word, but...)
element must have the programmed tab index defined, otherwise Flash
ignores ALL of your programmed tab indexes. Take a close look, because
there's probably something in the interface that you haven't defined a tab
index for.
Jared
From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Tue, Apr 11 2006 7:40AM
Subject: RE: Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
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Martin,
You need to use forms mode to enter information into an input. When you
reach the edit in the flash app, hit enter, then type after it says
"forms mode on".
This issue is still a lttle difficult to debug with the information
provided. Can you send me the blog entry that you refer to?
AWK
________________________________
From: Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:40 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Cc: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Andrew,
Now this is an odd one - I can't actually replicate the lack of
tab order now. The files I was working on are all working fine through
JAWS.
There are a few other issues that you might be able to shed some
light on however.
Firstly, I've noticed that when using JAWS it is is nearly
impossible to use the keyboard for input (i.e. typing). I tried even
entering in the day (Tuesday) into an input field with JAWS running and
all I could actually type was 'ay'.
So that's one small issue - another is more complex and is still
to do with the tab order, but the problem stems from components. I've
found a blog entry on the web that discusses this issue, as well as a
means to fixing it, however I've been unable to solve it. As soon as you
introduce a component to the stage (or library even) the tab order is
disregarded all together. I find this a little ironic given that these
components are meant to be accessible, but it doesn't help when the
component being used makes another accessibility feature cease to work.
Do you have any suggestions in fixing this, or can shed some light onto
we as developers can still use the Macromedia ready-made components and
create accessible Flash content at the same time?
Cheers,
Marty
________________________________
From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Mon 10/04/2006 11:37 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Marty,
It'd be useful to see the example. Can you send a link?
AWK
________________________________
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Friedel,
Martin James - FRIMJ001
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 7:37 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List; WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and
JAWS
Thanks Jared - I've already checked that - used the
AccRepair tool and that says everything is fine. It's an odd one - when
JAWS is off, the tab order is fine, but when JAWS is on, it misses
parts.
It's a weird one...
Marty
________________________________
From: Jared Smith [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Mon 10/04/2006 12:14 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and
JAWS
Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001 wrote:
> I'm currently working on some research into Flash
accessibility and have
> found a bizarre problem when combining content built
in Flash 8
> (published as 7). When I tab through the movie in
Internet Explorer with
> JAWS (4.51) not running, the tab order is as
programmed (every instance
> has a tab index set, and there are no static text
instances). But when
> JAWS is turned on, the tab order is thrown out the
window and entire
> instances are not accessible when using the tab key.
>
> Has anyone experienced this issue, and has a possible
solution?
>
> Cheers,
> Marty
If I recall correctly, EVERY tabable (not sure that's a
word, but...)
element must have the programmed tab index defined,
otherwise Flash
ignores ALL of your programmed tab indexes. Take a close
look, because
there's probably something in the interface that you
haven't defined a tab
index for.
Jared
From: Will Miller
Date: Tue, Apr 11 2006 7:50AM
Subject: RE: Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
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Do you know about JAWS forms mode? You have to switch JAWS into a separate
mode to input text on the web into a form. Otherwise most of the letters of
the alphabet will be used by JAWS for navigational functions. You can do
this by pressing the return key once when you are inside the text field.
~Will Miller
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From: Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Friedel, Martin
James - FRIMJ001
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:40 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Andrew,
Now this is an odd one - I can't actually replicate the lack of tab order
now. The files I was working on are all working fine through JAWS.
There are a few other issues that you might be able to shed some light on
however.
Firstly, I've noticed that when using JAWS it is is nearly impossible to use
the keyboard for input (i.e. typing). I tried even entering in the day
(Tuesday) into an input field with JAWS running and all I could actually
type was 'ay'.
So that's one small issue - another is more complex and is still to do with
the tab order, but the problem stems from components. I've found a blog
entry on the web that discusses this issue, as well as a means to fixing it,
however I've been unable to solve it. As soon as you introduce a component
to the stage (or library even) the tab order is disregarded all together. I
find this a little ironic given that these components are meant to be
accessible, but it doesn't help when the component being used makes another
accessibility feature cease to work. Do you have any suggestions in fixing
this, or can shed some light onto we as developers can still use the
Macromedia ready-made components and create accessible Flash content at the
same time?
Cheers,
Marty
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From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Mon 10/04/2006 11:37 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Marty,
It'd be useful to see the example. Can you send a link?
AWK
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From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Friedel, Martin
James - FRIMJ001
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 7:37 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List; WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Thanks Jared - I've already checked that - used the AccRepair tool and that
says everything is fine. It's an odd one - when JAWS is off, the tab order
is fine, but when JAWS is on, it misses parts.
It's a weird one...
Marty
_____
From: Jared Smith [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Mon 10/04/2006 12:14 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001 wrote:
> I'm currently working on some research into Flash accessibility and have
> found a bizarre problem when combining content built in Flash 8
> (published as 7). When I tab through the movie in Internet Explorer with
> JAWS (4.51) not running, the tab order is as programmed (every instance
> has a tab index set, and there are no static text instances). But when
> JAWS is turned on, the tab order is thrown out the window and entire
> instances are not accessible when using the tab key.
>
> Has anyone experienced this issue, and has a possible solution?
>
> Cheers,
> Marty
If I recall correctly, EVERY tabable (not sure that's a word, but...)
element must have the programmed tab index defined, otherwise Flash
ignores ALL of your programmed tab indexes. Take a close look, because
there's probably something in the interface that you haven't defined a tab
index for.
Jared
From: Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001
Date: Tue, Apr 11 2006 5:50PM
Subject: RE: Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
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Thanks Andrew.
The blog entry is http://blog.madebyderek.com/archives/2005/10/20/no_tabbing_for_list_datagrid_and_tree/
Cheers,
Marty
________________________________
From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Tue 11/04/2006 11:09 PM
To: Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001; WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Martin,
You need to use forms mode to enter information into an input. When you reach the edit in the flash app, hit enter, then type after it says "forms mode on".
This issue is still a lttle difficult to debug with the information provided. Can you send me the blog entry that you refer to?
AWK
________________________________
From: Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001 [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:40 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Cc: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Andrew,
Now this is an odd one - I can't actually replicate the lack of tab order now. The files I was working on are all working fine through JAWS.
There are a few other issues that you might be able to shed some light on however.
Firstly, I've noticed that when using JAWS it is is nearly impossible to use the keyboard for input (i.e. typing). I tried even entering in the day (Tuesday) into an input field with JAWS running and all I could actually type was 'ay'.
So that's one small issue - another is more complex and is still to do with the tab order, but the problem stems from components. I've found a blog entry on the web that discusses this issue, as well as a means to fixing it, however I've been unable to solve it. As soon as you introduce a component to the stage (or library even) the tab order is disregarded all together. I find this a little ironic given that these components are meant to be accessible, but it doesn't help when the component being used makes another accessibility feature cease to work. Do you have any suggestions in fixing this, or can shed some light onto we as developers can still use the Macromedia ready-made components and create accessible Flash content at the same time?
Cheers,
Marty
________________________________
From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Mon 10/04/2006 11:37 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Marty,
It'd be useful to see the example. Can you send a link?
AWK
________________________________
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 7:37 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List; WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Thanks Jared - I've already checked that - used the AccRepair tool and that says everything is fine. It's an odd one - when JAWS is off, the tab order is fine, but when JAWS is on, it misses parts.
It's a weird one...
Marty
________________________________
From: Jared Smith [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Mon 10/04/2006 12:14 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001 wrote:
> I'm currently working on some research into Flash accessibility and have
> found a bizarre problem when combining content built in Flash 8
> (published as 7). When I tab through the movie in Internet Explorer with
> JAWS (4.51) not running, the tab order is as programmed (every instance
> has a tab index set, and there are no static text instances). But when
> JAWS is turned on, the tab order is thrown out the window and entire
> instances are not accessible when using the tab key.
>
> Has anyone experienced this issue, and has a possible solution?
>
> Cheers,
> Marty
If I recall correctly, EVERY tabable (not sure that's a word, but...)
element must have the programmed tab index defined, otherwise Flash
ignores ALL of your programmed tab indexes. Take a close look, because
there's probably something in the interface that you haven't defined a tab
index for.
Jared
From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 6:30AM
Subject: RE: Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
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Ah. That one. This is a known issue with these components and there is
a bug in our system for it. Have you tried the fix that was suggested in
that same posting? That should work - let me know if not.
Thanks,
AWK
________________________________
From: Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:40 PM
To: Andrew Kirkpatrick; WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Thanks Andrew.
The blog entry is
http://blog.madebyderek.com/archives/2005/10/20/no_tabbing_for_list_data
grid_and_tree/
Cheers,
Marty
________________________________
From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Tue 11/04/2006 11:09 PM
To: Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001; WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Martin,
You need to use forms mode to enter information into an input.
When you reach the edit in the flash app, hit enter, then type after it
says "forms mode on".
This issue is still a lttle difficult to debug with the
information provided. Can you send me the blog entry that you refer to?
AWK
________________________________
From: Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:40 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Cc: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and
JAWS
Andrew,
Now this is an odd one - I can't actually replicate the
lack of tab order now. The files I was working on are all working fine
through JAWS.
There are a few other issues that you might be able to
shed some light on however.
Firstly, I've noticed that when using JAWS it is is
nearly impossible to use the keyboard for input (i.e. typing). I tried
even entering in the day (Tuesday) into an input field with JAWS running
and all I could actually type was 'ay'.
So that's one small issue - another is more complex and
is still to do with the tab order, but the problem stems from
components. I've found a blog entry on the web that discusses this
issue, as well as a means to fixing it, however I've been unable to
solve it. As soon as you introduce a component to the stage (or library
even) the tab order is disregarded all together. I find this a little
ironic given that these components are meant to be accessible, but it
doesn't help when the component being used makes another accessibility
feature cease to work. Do you have any suggestions in fixing this, or
can shed some light onto we as developers can still use the Macromedia
ready-made components and create accessible Flash content at the same
time?
Cheers,
Marty
________________________________
From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Mon 10/04/2006 11:37 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and
JAWS
Marty,
It'd be useful to see the example. Can you send a link?
AWK
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[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Friedel,
Martin James - FRIMJ001
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 7:37 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List; WebAIM Discussion
List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index
and JAWS
Thanks Jared - I've already checked that - used
the AccRepair tool and that says everything is fine. It's an odd one -
when JAWS is off, the tab order is fine, but when JAWS is on, it misses
parts.
It's a weird one...
Marty
________________________________
From: Jared Smith [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Mon 10/04/2006 12:14 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index
and JAWS
Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001 wrote:
> I'm currently working on some research into
Flash accessibility and have
> found a bizarre problem when combining content
built in Flash 8
> (published as 7). When I tab through the movie
in Internet Explorer with
> JAWS (4.51) not running, the tab order is as
programmed (every instance
> has a tab index set, and there are no static
text instances). But when
> JAWS is turned on, the tab order is thrown out
the window and entire
> instances are not accessible when using the
tab key.
>
> Has anyone experienced this issue, and has a
possible solution?
>
> Cheers,
> Marty
If I recall correctly, EVERY tabable (not sure
that's a word, but...)
element must have the programmed tab index
defined, otherwise Flash
ignores ALL of your programmed tab indexes. Take
a close look, because
there's probably something in the interface that
you haven't defined a tab
index for.
Jared
From: Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 6:20PM
Subject: RE: Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
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Yeah I have followed those instructions but it appears to have not worked.
I've even followed the files to the local settings on my computer, and the AS file was updated, but still doesn't seem to be working. It's a really odd one.
Cheers,
Marty
________________________________
From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Wed 12/04/2006 9:55 PM
To: Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001; WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Ah. That one. This is a known issue with these components and there is a bug in our system for it. Have you tried the fix that was suggested in that same posting? That should work - let me know if not.
Thanks,
AWK
________________________________
From: Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001 [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:40 PM
To: Andrew Kirkpatrick; WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Thanks Andrew.
The blog entry is http://blog.madebyderek.com/archives/2005/10/20/no_tabbing_for_list_datagrid_and_tree/
Cheers,
Marty
________________________________
From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Tue 11/04/2006 11:09 PM
To: Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001; WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Martin,
You need to use forms mode to enter information into an input. When you reach the edit in the flash app, hit enter, then type after it says "forms mode on".
This issue is still a lttle difficult to debug with the information provided. Can you send me the blog entry that you refer to?
AWK
________________________________
From: Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001 [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:40 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Cc: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Andrew,
Now this is an odd one - I can't actually replicate the lack of tab order now. The files I was working on are all working fine through JAWS.
There are a few other issues that you might be able to shed some light on however.
Firstly, I've noticed that when using JAWS it is is nearly impossible to use the keyboard for input (i.e. typing). I tried even entering in the day (Tuesday) into an input field with JAWS running and all I could actually type was 'ay'.
So that's one small issue - another is more complex and is still to do with the tab order, but the problem stems from components. I've found a blog entry on the web that discusses this issue, as well as a means to fixing it, however I've been unable to solve it. As soon as you introduce a component to the stage (or library even) the tab order is disregarded all together. I find this a little ironic given that these components are meant to be accessible, but it doesn't help when the component being used makes another accessibility feature cease to work. Do you have any suggestions in fixing this, or can shed some light onto we as developers can still use the Macromedia ready-made components and create accessible Flash content at the same time?
Cheers,
Marty
________________________________
From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Mon 10/04/2006 11:37 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Marty,
It'd be useful to see the example. Can you send a link?
AWK
________________________________
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 7:37 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List; WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: RE: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Thanks Jared - I've already checked that - used the AccRepair tool and that says everything is fine. It's an odd one - when JAWS is off, the tab order is fine, but when JAWS is on, it misses parts.
It's a weird one...
Marty
________________________________
From: Jared Smith [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Mon 10/04/2006 12:14 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Flash MX 2004/8, Tab Index and JAWS
Friedel, Martin James - FRIMJ001 wrote:
> I'm currently working on some research into Flash accessibility and have
> found a bizarre problem when combining content built in Flash 8
> (published as 7). When I tab through the movie in Internet Explorer with
> JAWS (4.51) not running, the tab order is as programmed (every instance
> has a tab index set, and there are no static text instances). But when
> JAWS is turned on, the tab order is thrown out the window and entire
> instances are not accessible when using the tab key.
>
> Has anyone experienced this issue, and has a possible solution?
>
> Cheers,
> Marty
If I recall correctly, EVERY tabable (not sure that's a word, but...)
element must have the programmed tab index defined, otherwise Flash
ignores ALL of your programmed tab indexes. Take a close look, because
there's probably something in the interface that you haven't defined a tab
index for.
Jared