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From: John Foliot
Date: Wed, May 09 2012 3:58PM
Subject: FW: How to include extended transcripts with video
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From: Stella Mudd
Date: Thu, May 10 2012 12:51PM
Subject: Re: FW: How to include extended transcripts with video
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John,

You asked what is better:

> <track kind="transcript" src="transcript">
> <track kind="captions" src="captions"> </video>

vs:

> <video src="video" transcript="transcriptLink">
> <track kind="captions" src="captions"> </video> ...blahblah...
> <a href="transcript" id="transcriptLink">click here for extended
> transcript</a>

My initial thought; looking ahead, <track kind="transcript"
src="transcript"> might be more practical.

Reasons:
1. Having a standard and convention such as this leaves little room for
problems existing between keyboard and chair.
2. Could be more SEO friendly as a standard and convention would allow
search engines to definitively crawl the document.
3. Keeps things simple and nicely organized within the VIDEO element which
allows for easy transport, DOM manipulation, etc.
4. Such a standard would be more easily defined within the HTML spec, which
would give more awareness to the possibility and benefit of adding such
content.

Of course, access to this transcript would need to be effortless by user
agents and assistive technology. This would require the community,
browsers, etc. to come up with a standard. The CC button is pretty much
universal. How would this play a part? If a transcript is added along
with caption, does the CC button become a drop-down menu? Have not put
much thought into this, but I'd be happy to get involved.

Best,
Stella

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:58 PM, John Foliot < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hello friends,
>
> Please see the enclosed note from Chaals regarding authoring patterns for
> supporting video transcripts. Got an opinion? Be sure to "Reply All" if
> you do.
>
> Cheers!
>
> JF
>
> > From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:26 AM
> > To: WAI IG
> > Subject: How to include extended transcripts with video
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > this is actually a question of what people would like to do. The HTML
> working
> > group is currently winding up HTML5. One of the outstanding issues is
> how to
> > include an "extended transcript" for a video. I believe the opinion of
> > practising professionals about which pattern seems more natural is
> important
> > input.
> >
> > (Basically a script for people who are just going to read it, so perhaps
> more
> > descriptive than just the captions but not necessarily timestamped.
> > It could be HTML, WebVTT mixing in the audio and descriptive audio, or it
> > could be more like an actual movie or play script).
> >
> > There are basically two proposals on the table. One is to use the track
> > element (same as for captions, subtitles, audio description, ...) and
> have the
> > browser provide access (e.g. a button added to the video player, like
> the "cc"
> > buttons that are added for captions). The HTML would look a bit like
> this:
> >
> > <video src="video">
> > <track kind="transcript" src="transcript">
> > <track kind="captions" src="captions"> </video>
> >
> > (etc.) The other idea is to build on the common practice of having a
> link to
> > the transcript somewhere on the page already. It would provide an
> attribute on
> > the video element, which would point to the link that is on the page.
> >
> > <video src="video" transcript="transcriptLink">
> > <track kind="captions" src="captions"> </video> ...blahblah...
> > <a href="transcript" id="transcriptLink">click here for extended
> > transcript</a>
> >
> > In both cases, where you have multiple languages available you just
> multiply
> > the relevant elements.
> >
> > I'd like to get people's perspective on what makes better sense and,
> > importantly, why. If this results in some reasonable amount of useful
> material
> > it will be gathered as feedback for the HTML working group.
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > Chaals
> >
> > --
> > Charles 'chaals' McCathieNevile Opera Software, Standards Group
> > je parle français -- hablo español -- jeg kan noen norsk
> > http://my.opera.com/chaals Try Opera: http://www.opera.com
>
>
> > > >

From: Ryan E. Benson
Date: Sat, May 12 2012 2:32PM
Subject: Re: FW: How to include extended transcripts with video
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I second Stella's opinion of

> My initial thought; looking ahead, <track kind="transcript"
> src="transcript"> might be more practical.

Also if the various player creators put the icon in their player, end
users wouldn't need to worry about placing it in a good spot. I just
looked at YouTube, unless you put the link to the transcript in the
first four or five lines, it probably wouldn't seen by many. But if it
appears next to the CC, and a standard icon is created, then there you
go. The issue then becomes when you activate it, what happens? It may
get into the too specifics for the WG. I mean should a new window come
up? A hidden div appear and focus brought to the div? A pop up of some kind
(thinking modular) with a link to the location? etc.

--
Ryan E. Benson

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Stella Mudd < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> John,
>
> You asked what is better:
>
>> <track kind="transcript" src="transcript">
>> <track kind="captions" src="captions"> </video>
>
> vs:
>
>> <video src="video" transcript="transcriptLink">
>> <track kind="captions" src="captions"> </video> ...blahblah...
>> <a href="transcript" id="transcriptLink">click here for extended
>> transcript</a>
>
> My initial thought; looking ahead, <track kind="transcript"
> src="transcript"> might be more practical.
>
> Reasons:
> 1. Having a standard and convention such as this leaves little room for
> problems existing between keyboard and chair.
> 2. Could be more SEO friendly as a standard and convention would allow
> search engines to definitively crawl the document.
> 3. Keeps things simple and nicely organized within the VIDEO element which
> allows for easy transport, DOM manipulation, etc.
> 4. Such a standard would be more easily defined within the HTML spec, which
> would give more awareness to the possibility and benefit of adding such
> content.
>
> Of course, access to this transcript would need to be effortless by user
> agents and assistive technology. This would require the community,
> browsers, etc. to come up with a standard. The CC button is pretty much
> universal. How would this play a part? If a transcript is added along
> with caption, does the CC button become a drop-down menu? Have not put
> much thought into this, but I'd be happy to get involved.
>
> Best,
> Stella
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:58 PM, John Foliot < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> Hello friends,
>>
>> Please see the enclosed note from Chaals regarding authoring patterns for
>> supporting video transcripts. Got an opinion? Be sure to "Reply All" if
>> you do.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> JF
>>
>> > From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:26 AM
>> > To: WAI IG
>> > Subject: How to include extended transcripts with video
>> >
>> > Hi folks,
>> >
>> > this is actually a question of what people would like to do. The HTML
>> working
>> > group is currently winding up HTML5. One of the outstanding issues is
>> how to
>> > include an "extended transcript" for a video. I believe the opinion of
>> > practising professionals about which pattern seems more natural is
>> important
>> > input.
>> >
>> > (Basically a script for people who are just going to read it, so perhaps
>> more
>> > descriptive than just the captions but not necessarily timestamped.
>> > It could be HTML, WebVTT mixing in the audio and descriptive audio, or it
>> > could be more like an actual movie or play script).
>> >
>> > There are basically two proposals on the table. One is to use the track
>> > element (same as for captions, subtitles, audio description, ...) and
>> have the
>> > browser provide access (e.g. a button added to the video player, like
>> the "cc"
>> > buttons that are added for captions). The HTML would look a bit like
>> this:
>> >
>> > <video src="video">
>> > <track kind="transcript" src="transcript">
>> > <track kind="captions" src="captions"> </video>
>> >
>> > (etc.) The other idea is to build on the common practice of having a
>> link to
>> > the transcript somewhere on the page already. It would provide an
>> attribute on
>> > the video element, which would point to the link that is on the page.
>> >
>> > <video src="video" transcript="transcriptLink">
>> > <track kind="captions" src="captions"> </video> ...blahblah...
>> > <a href="transcript" id="transcriptLink">click here for extended
>> > transcript</a>
>> >
>> > In both cases, where you have multiple languages available you just
>> multiply
>> > the relevant elements.
>> >
>> > I'd like to get people's perspective on what makes better sense and,
>> > importantly, why. If this results in some reasonable amount of useful
>> material
>> > it will be gathered as feedback for the HTML working group.
>> >
>> > cheers
>> >
>> > Chaals
>> >
>> > --
>> > Charles 'chaals' McCathieNevile Opera Software, Standards Group
>> > je parle français -- hablo español -- jeg kan noen norsk
>> > http://my.opera.com/chaals Try Opera: http://www.opera.com
>>
>>
>> >> >> >>
> > >