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From: Steve Green
Date: Tue, Feb 12 2013 7:19PM
Subject: web site for testing
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From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Wed, Feb 13 2013 6:12AM
Subject: Re: web site for testing
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What is FAE?
Thanks for posting the results.

On 2/12/13, Steve Green < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Thanks for posting this, Rick. It confirms my low opinion of the SortSite
> tool we use occasionally. It reports 10 faults.
>
> Steve Green
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Rick Hill
> Sent: 13 February 2013 01:04
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] FW: web site for testing
>
> Sharing for comment.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Rick Hill, Web CMS Administrator
> University Communications, UC Davis
> (530) 752-9612
> http://cms.ucdavis.edu
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Web CMS assistance at = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Subject: web site for testing
>
> Hello Rick,
>
> Thought that you may be interested in this web site:
> http://mothereffingtoolconfuser.com/
>
> This web site should have no errors reported from testing tools.
>
> AMP scored the site at 100% across the board with no errors listed. The free
> tools seem to not be inspecting the browser DOM’s which can mislabel
> accessibility errors.
>
> Free tool results:
>
> aChecker results:
> Known Problems(10)
> Likely Problems (6)
> Potential Problems (72)
> HTML Validation (5)
> CSS Validation (29)
>
> Wave by URL – 5 errors
>
> Wave w/plugin – 0 results
>
> Wave 5:
> 6 errors
> 5 alerts
> 1 features
> 17 structural elements
> 3 HTML5/ARIA elements
> 1 contrast errors
>
> FAE
> Navigation & Orientation – 100% Pass
> Text Equivalents – 100% Pass
> Scripting – 100% Pass
> Styling – 66% Pass, 16% Warn, 16% Fail
> HTML Standards – 50% Pass, 50% Warn
>
> HTML_CodeSniffer by Squiz:
>
> 508: 0 errors, 0 warnings, 3 notices
> WCAG 2.0 lvl A: 1 error, 3 warnings, 20 notices WCAG 2.0 lvl AA: 2 errors, 3
> warnings, 22 notices
>
> > > messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > > >

From: lauracornwell
Date: Wed, Feb 13 2013 6:44AM
Subject: Re: web site for testing
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Hey there, can some one tell me whats has happend with fb i went to get
on I found some thing called main menu butten go to m.facebook .comm thanks

On 2/13/2013 7:12 AM, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
> What is FAE?
> Thanks for posting the results.
>
> On 2/12/13, Steve Green< = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> Thanks for posting this, Rick. It confirms my low opinion of the SortSite
>> tool we use occasionally. It reports 10 faults.
>>
>> Steve Green
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Rick Hill
>> Sent: 13 February 2013 01:04
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: [WebAIM] FW: web site for testing
>>
>> Sharing for comment.
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Rick Hill, Web CMS Administrator
>> University Communications, UC Davis
>> (530) 752-9612
>> http://cms.ucdavis.edu
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Web CMS assistance at = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: web site for testing
>>
>> Hello Rick,
>>
>> Thought that you may be interested in this web site:
>> http://mothereffingtoolconfuser.com/
>>
>> This web site should have no errors reported from testing tools.
>>
>> AMP scored the site at 100% across the board with no errors listed. The free
>> tools seem to not be inspecting the browser DOM's which can mislabel
>> accessibility errors.
>>
>> Free tool results:
>>
>> aChecker results:
>> Known Problems(10)
>> Likely Problems (6)
>> Potential Problems (72)
>> HTML Validation (5)
>> CSS Validation (29)
>>
>> Wave by URL -- 5 errors
>>
>> Wave w/plugin -- 0 results
>>
>> Wave 5:
>> 6 errors
>> 5 alerts
>> 1 features
>> 17 structural elements
>> 3 HTML5/ARIA elements
>> 1 contrast errors
>>
>> FAE
>> Navigation& Orientation -- 100% Pass
>> Text Equivalents -- 100% Pass
>> Scripting -- 100% Pass
>> Styling -- 66% Pass, 16% Warn, 16% Fail
>> HTML Standards -- 50% Pass, 50% Warn
>>
>> HTML_CodeSniffer by Squiz:
>>
>> 508: 0 errors, 0 warnings, 3 notices
>> WCAG 2.0 lvl A: 1 error, 3 warnings, 20 notices WCAG 2.0 lvl AA: 2 errors, 3
>> warnings, 22 notices
>>
>> >> >> messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> >> >> >>
> > >

From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Wed, Feb 13 2013 6:59AM
Subject: Re: web site for testing
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On 13/02/2013 13:12, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
> What is FAE?

Functional Accessibility Evaluator http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/

P
--
Patrick H. Lauke

From: lauracornwell
Date: Wed, Feb 13 2013 7:06AM
Subject: Re: web site for testing
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will you re move me frome the list thanks

On 2/13/2013 7:12 AM, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
> What is FAE?
> Thanks for posting the results.
>
> On 2/12/13, Steve Green< = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> Thanks for posting this, Rick. It confirms my low opinion of the SortSite
>> tool we use occasionally. It reports 10 faults.
>>
>> Steve Green
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Rick Hill
>> Sent: 13 February 2013 01:04
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: [WebAIM] FW: web site for testing
>>
>> Sharing for comment.
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Rick Hill, Web CMS Administrator
>> University Communications, UC Davis
>> (530) 752-9612
>> http://cms.ucdavis.edu
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Web CMS assistance at = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: web site for testing
>>
>> Hello Rick,
>>
>> Thought that you may be interested in this web site:
>> http://mothereffingtoolconfuser.com/
>>
>> This web site should have no errors reported from testing tools.
>>
>> AMP scored the site at 100% across the board with no errors listed. The free
>> tools seem to not be inspecting the browser DOM's which can mislabel
>> accessibility errors.
>>
>> Free tool results:
>>
>> aChecker results:
>> Known Problems(10)
>> Likely Problems (6)
>> Potential Problems (72)
>> HTML Validation (5)
>> CSS Validation (29)
>>
>> Wave by URL -- 5 errors
>>
>> Wave w/plugin -- 0 results
>>
>> Wave 5:
>> 6 errors
>> 5 alerts
>> 1 features
>> 17 structural elements
>> 3 HTML5/ARIA elements
>> 1 contrast errors
>>
>> FAE
>> Navigation& Orientation -- 100% Pass
>> Text Equivalents -- 100% Pass
>> Scripting -- 100% Pass
>> Styling -- 66% Pass, 16% Warn, 16% Fail
>> HTML Standards -- 50% Pass, 50% Warn
>>
>> HTML_CodeSniffer by Squiz:
>>
>> 508: 0 errors, 0 warnings, 3 notices
>> WCAG 2.0 lvl A: 1 error, 3 warnings, 20 notices WCAG 2.0 lvl AA: 2 errors, 3
>> warnings, 22 notices
>>
>> >> >> messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> >> >> >>
> > >

From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Wed, Feb 13 2013 7:09AM
Subject: Re: web site for testing
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Thanks Patrick. In all my accessibility testing I somehow have always
missed this one, better try it out, as it seems to have scored top of
the list when it comes to looking at the DOM as opposed to the basic
html (though one could always get into lengthy arguments about whether
it should be completely ok to apply JQuery/Javascript patches
retroactively rather than ensure accessibility from the beginning, to
me I am just happy with attention to accessibility, not so much the
method, not yet at any wait).
-B

On 2/13/13, Patrick H. Lauke < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> On 13/02/2013 13:12, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
>> What is FAE?
>
> Functional Accessibility Evaluator http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/
>
> P
> --
> Patrick H. Lauke
> > re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively
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>
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> > > > >

From: Jared Smith
Date: Fri, Feb 15 2013 8:53AM
Subject: Re: FW: web site for testing
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On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Wyant, Jay wrote:

> Given that each browser creates its own DOM, does it then stand to reason that one should test tools using multiple browsers?

Our testing has shown that as browsers become more standards
compliant, the minor discrepancies between various browser DOM
structures have negligible impact on accessibility testing (so long as
the site and/or scripting isn't doing browser-specific manipulations).

> For example, you can use the WAVE's Firefox plug-in, but should you also run the web version in other browsers to see if the results are different?

The web version of WAVE still evaluates the content based on a
Firefox-generated DOM produced on our servers. However, we are in the
process of porting the backend engine to Webkit and have found that
there are no notable differences in results, which proves this point.

> And if the results are indeed different, then can you isolate whether accessibility failure is the fault of the browser, the DOM, or the site?

Speaking for WAVE, the server version does not currently process
scripting on the pages that are analyzed due to security issues, so
this will often result in differences between the toolbar and the
server version of WAVE for scripted pages. For pages that don't
utilize scripting, the results should be identical between both tools
regardless of which browser you use to view the web-based version.

Even if there were differences between browsers, I wonder if this is
of great concern to developers. If you follow the rules, it's the
browsers responsibility to produce an accessible result.

I think the key here is that different tools take different approaches
to evaluation. Use several of them and consider their strengths and
weaknesses. When you're dealing with scripted content, there are cases
where some tools may miss or misrepresent accessibility issues if they
don't evaluate the DOM (though these tools do give a good
representation of what users who have scripting disabled will
experience).

Jared