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From: Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO
Date: Tue, Aug 20 2013 10:33AM
Subject: captioning table question
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When a caption is added to a table does that mean when I do a list of tables on the page I will get the caption as the name of the table? If I tell the developer to put a c aption in is it just printed above the table?

Susie Stanzel




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From: Jim Allan
Date: Tue, Aug 20 2013 10:42AM
Subject: Re: captioning table question
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Susan,
when you navigate by table (T) JAWS will jump from table to table and
announce the Caption and the caption will appear on the screen. As far as I
know there is not a List of Tables available in JAWS. There are commands
for a list of form controls, frames, links, and headings.

Jim


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> When a caption is added to a table does that mean when I do a list of
> tables on the page I will get the caption as the name of the table? If I
> tell the developer to put a c aption in is it just printed above the table?
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> Susie Stanzel
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From: Jared Smith
Date: Tue, Aug 20 2013 10:48AM
Subject: Re: captioning table question
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In VoiceOver you can see a list of tables in the Rotor. It will identify
the table based on its caption, if present.

In JAWS, INSERT+CTRL+T is a shortcut key to list the tables on the page. I
don't have JAWS handy to test if it lists by caption or not. Regardless, if
the table has a visual caption, it should be associated with the <caption>
element.

Jared

From: Jim Allan
Date: Tue, Aug 20 2013 10:58AM
Subject: Re: captioning table question
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just tested, thanks for the shortcut key.
the captions show in the list of tables as does the size of the table
e.g.
My Table Caption 6x10 (col x row)


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Jared Smith < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> In VoiceOver you can see a list of tables in the Rotor. It will identify
> the table based on its caption, if present.
>
> In JAWS, INSERT+CTRL+T is a shortcut key to list the tables on the page. I
> don't have JAWS handy to test if it lists by caption or not. Regardless, if
> the table has a visual caption, it should be associated with the <caption>
> element.
>
> Jared
> > > >



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Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator & Webmaster
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9264 http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964

From: Karlen Communications
Date: Tue, Aug 20 2013 11:25AM
Subject: Re: captioning table question
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If you are working in Word, you can create a Table of Tables if you use a
caption. Same with a Table of Figures if you use captions for figures. It
lets you create tables of those elements in the document but as other have
said, this is separate from any adaptive technology specific methods of
locating or navigating to tables...although a linked Table of Tables might
be helpful for everyone in Word documents depending on how many tables there
are.

As a rule I put table captions above tables so that anyone using adaptive
technology or not knows what to expect in terms of data before they enter a
table.

Cheers, Karen

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just tested, thanks for the shortcut key.
the captions show in the list of tables as does the size of the table e.g.
My Table Caption 6x10 (col x row)


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Jared Smith < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> In VoiceOver you can see a list of tables in the Rotor. It will
> identify the table based on its caption, if present.
>
> In JAWS, INSERT+CTRL+T is a shortcut key to list the tables on the
> page. I don't have JAWS handy to test if it lists by caption or not.
> Regardless, if the table has a visual caption, it should be associated
> with the <caption> element.
>
> Jared
> > > list messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>



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From: Rabab Gomaa
Date: Tue, Aug 20 2013 1:21PM
Subject: Re: captioning table question
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Hello Susie,
The caption shows at the top of the table (above it). This is how it is printed too.
When you have a page with multiple tables, you add a caption for each table.

Rabab

>>> "Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > 2013-08-20 12:33 PM >>>
When a caption is added to a table does that mean when I do a list of tables on the page I will get the caption as the name of the table? If I tell the developer to put a c aption in is it just printed above the table?

Susie Stanzel




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From: Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO
Date: Tue, Aug 20 2013 3:39PM
Subject: Re: captioning table question
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On my page they have two tables captioned identically with different data in them. JAWS says 4x19 and 4x13 respectively. Is this correct behavior?

Susie

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Hello Susie,
The caption shows at the top of the table (above it). This is how it is printed too.
When you have a page with multiple tables, you add a caption for each table.

Rabab

>>> "Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>>> 2013-08-20 12:33 PM >>>
When a caption is added to a table does that mean when I do a list of tables on the page I will get the caption as the name of the table? If I tell the developer to put a c aption in is it just printed above the table?

Susie Stanzel




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