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From: L Snider
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2015 11:51AM
Subject: PDFs and Page Numbers
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Hi Everyone,

I haven't seen this come up on the list for a long time, so I just wanted
to see if things had changed.

I am creating PDFs from Word documents, and they have page numbers.

Do you mark page numbers as artifacts (page)? Or do you keep them as <P>? I
like the artifact route, but I am open to changing that...I keep reading
different things in terms of how users use them and like them.

In the Reading Order panel, these documents always have the Page Number as
1 in the list. I was thinking about whether I should put the page number at
the end (ie: Text on page, footer text, footer image, page number) as the
text is way more important. However, here too I keep reading different
things from users.

Thanks in advance!

Cheers

Lisa

From: Jonathan Avila
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2015 12:12PM
Subject: Re: PDFs and Page Numbers
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> Do you mark page numbers as artifacts (page)?

The proper place to expose page, section, or other page numbers information that doesn't match the PDF page numbers for assistive technology is under the Page Tab. Right click or open the context menu and choose Number Pages. That way you can keep page numbers artifacts. There still may be some header and footer information that needs to be exposed by tagging -- but this method should solve the page number issue.

Jonathan

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-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of L Snider
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:52 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: [WebAIM] PDFs and Page Numbers

Hi Everyone,

I haven't seen this come up on the list for a long time, so I just wanted to see if things had changed.

I am creating PDFs from Word documents, and they have page numbers.

Do you mark page numbers as artifacts (page)? Or do you keep them as <P>? I like the artifact route, but I am open to changing that...I keep reading different things in terms of how users use them and like them.

In the Reading Order panel, these documents always have the Page Number as
1 in the list. I was thinking about whether I should put the page number at the end (ie: Text on page, footer text, footer image, page number) as the text is way more important. However, here too I keep reading different things from users.

Thanks in advance!

Cheers

Lisa

From: L Snider
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2015 12:39PM
Subject: Re: PDFs and Page Numbers
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Hi Jonathan,

That sounds perfect, thanks so much. So I gather that Pro stores that
information differently and doesn't tag it as it would page numbers from
Word? That is very cool!

Cheers

Lisa

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Jonathan Avila < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

> > Do you mark page numbers as artifacts (page)?
>
> The proper place to expose page, section, or other page numbers
> information that doesn't match the PDF page numbers for assistive
> technology is under the Page Tab. Right click or open the context menu and
> choose Number Pages. That way you can keep page numbers artifacts. There
> still may be some header and footer information that needs to be exposed by
> tagging -- but this method should solve the page number issue.
>
> Jonathan
>
> --
> Jonathan Avila
> Chief Accessibility Officer
> SSB BART Group
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Phone 703.637.8957
> Follow us: Facebook | Twitter | LinkedIn | Blog | Newsletter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto:
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of L Snider
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:52 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] PDFs and Page Numbers
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I haven't seen this come up on the list for a long time, so I just wanted
> to see if things had changed.
>
> I am creating PDFs from Word documents, and they have page numbers.
>
> Do you mark page numbers as artifacts (page)? Or do you keep them as <P>?
> I like the artifact route, but I am open to changing that...I keep reading
> different things in terms of how users use them and like them.
>
> In the Reading Order panel, these documents always have the Page Number as
> 1 in the list. I was thinking about whether I should put the page number
> at the end (ie: Text on page, footer text, footer image, page number) as
> the text is way more important. However, here too I keep reading different
> things from users.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
> > > messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > > >

From: L Snider
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2015 12:42PM
Subject: Re: PDFs and Page Numbers
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Oh and that solves the problem for my reading order too! Basically if I
number pages in the Page Tab, and then make the footer into a background
image (that is where the page numbers and images are stored)-that solves
both issues!

Thanks again,

Lisa

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:39 PM, L Snider < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hi Jonathan,
>
> That sounds perfect, thanks so much. So I gather that Pro stores that
> information differently and doesn't tag it as it would page numbers from
> Word? That is very cool!
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Jonathan Avila <
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> > Do you mark page numbers as artifacts (page)?
>>
>> The proper place to expose page, section, or other page numbers
>> information that doesn't match the PDF page numbers for assistive
>> technology is under the Page Tab. Right click or open the context menu and
>> choose Number Pages. That way you can keep page numbers artifacts. There
>> still may be some header and footer information that needs to be exposed by
>> tagging -- but this method should solve the page number issue.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Avila
>> Chief Accessibility Officer
>> SSB BART Group
>> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> Phone 703.637.8957
>> Follow us: Facebook | Twitter | LinkedIn | Blog | Newsletter
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto:
>> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of L Snider
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:52 PM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: [WebAIM] PDFs and Page Numbers
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I haven't seen this come up on the list for a long time, so I just wanted
>> to see if things had changed.
>>
>> I am creating PDFs from Word documents, and they have page numbers.
>>
>> Do you mark page numbers as artifacts (page)? Or do you keep them as <P>?
>> I like the artifact route, but I am open to changing that...I keep reading
>> different things in terms of how users use them and like them.
>>
>> In the Reading Order panel, these documents always have the Page Number as
>> 1 in the list. I was thinking about whether I should put the page number
>> at the end (ie: Text on page, footer text, footer image, page number) as
>> the text is way more important. However, here too I keep reading different
>> things from users.
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Lisa
>> >> >> messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> >> >> >>
>
>

From: Jonathan Avila
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2015 12:43PM
Subject: Re: PDFs and Page Numbers
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> That sounds perfect, thanks so much. So I gather that Pro stores that information differently and doesn't tag it as it would page numbers from Word? That is very cool!

I'm not sure actually where (what dictionary, etc. ) this page data is stored but it's not as a tag in the tags panel.

Jonathan

-- 
Jonathan Avila 
Chief Accessibility Officer
SSB BART Group 
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Phone 703.637.8957  
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-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of L Snider
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:40 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDFs and Page Numbers

Hi Jonathan,

That sounds perfect, thanks so much. So I gather that Pro stores that information differently and doesn't tag it as it would page numbers from Word? That is very cool!

Cheers

Lisa

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Jonathan Avila < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

> > Do you mark page numbers as artifacts (page)?
>
> The proper place to expose page, section, or other page numbers
> information that doesn't match the PDF page numbers for assistive
> technology is under the Page Tab. Right click or open the context menu and
> choose Number Pages. That way you can keep page numbers artifacts. There
> still may be some header and footer information that needs to be
> exposed by tagging -- but this method should solve the page number issue.
>
> Jonathan
>
> --
> Jonathan Avila
> Chief Accessibility Officer
> SSB BART Group
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Phone 703.637.8957
> Follow us: Facebook | Twitter | LinkedIn | Blog | Newsletter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto:
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of L Snider
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:52 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] PDFs and Page Numbers
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I haven't seen this come up on the list for a long time, so I just
> wanted to see if things had changed.
>
> I am creating PDFs from Word documents, and they have page numbers.
>
> Do you mark page numbers as artifacts (page)? Or do you keep them as <P>?
> I like the artifact route, but I am open to changing that...I keep
> reading different things in terms of how users use them and like them.
>
> In the Reading Order panel, these documents always have the Page
> Number as
> 1 in the list. I was thinking about whether I should put the page
> number at the end (ie: Text on page, footer text, footer image, page
> number) as the text is way more important. However, here too I keep
> reading different things from users.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
> > > list messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > > list messages to = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>

From: L Snider
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2015 1:28PM
Subject: Re: PDFs and Page Numbers
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Now I am curious! However, if that fits the bill then I am a happy camper.

Thanks again!

Cheers

Lisa

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Jonathan Avila < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

> I'm not sure actually where (what dictionary, etc. ) this page data is
> stored but it's not as a tag in the tags panel.
>
> Jonathan
>
> --
> Jonathan Avila
> Chief Accessibility Officer
> SSB BART Group
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Phone 703.637.8957
> Follow us: Facebook | Twitter | LinkedIn | Blog | Newsletter
>