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From: Lynn Holdsworth
Date: Thu, Jun 11 2015 4:45AM
Subject: Where does CSS issue fail WCAG2?
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Hi all,

Just doing an audit, and we have a styled focus indicator that's not
quite wide enough to fit around its "Next" button and starts halfway
through the N.

We feel like it should fail, but it's not a text resizing issue, and
we can't find anything else to fail it under.

Does this fail? If so how?

Thanks as always, Lynn

From: chaals@yandex-team.ru
Date: Thu, Jun 11 2015 4:54AM
Subject: Re: Where does CSS issue fail WCAG2?
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- lynn.holdsworth@

11.06.2015, 12:46, "Lynn Holdsworth" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >:
> Just doing an audit, and we have a styled focus indicator that's not
> quite wide enough to fit around its "Next" button and starts halfway
> through the N.
>
> We feel like it should fail, but it's not a text resizing issue, and
> we can't find anything else to fail it under.
>
> Does this fail? If so how?

It fails the unwritten rule "don't be ridiculous". It may also cause issues with comprehension and visual recognition, but it isn't clear that WCAG covers those well enough anyway.

just 2 cents worth

Chaals

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From: Jonathan Avila
Date: Thu, Jun 11 2015 4:56AM
Subject: Re: Where does CSS issue fail WCAG2?
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> Does this fail? If so how

The most likely place it could fail would be under contrast.

Jonathan

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Lynn Holdsworth < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Does this fail? If so how

From: Lynn Holdsworth
Date: Thu, Jun 11 2015 5:26AM
Subject: Re: Where does CSS issue fail WCAG2?
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Thanks guys. Yes - there should be a "don't be ridiculous" clause in
WCAG. Can we fail them for not having one?

OK will check contrast, but if that passes then I suppose we'll just
have to add this one as a recommendation.

Cheers, Lynn

On 11/06/2015, Jonathan Avila < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> Does this fail? If so how
>
> The most likely place it could fail would be under contrast.
>
> Jonathan
>
>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Lynn Holdsworth < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Does this fail? If so how
> > > > >

From: Moore,Michael (HHSC)
Date: Thu, Jun 11 2015 6:56AM
Subject: Re: Where does CSS issue fail WCAG2?
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I would think that it would fail to meet the design specifications. I can't imagine that the designer meant for it to look like that.

Mike Moore
Accessibility Coordinator
Health and Human Services Commission
Civil Rights Office
(512) 438-3431 (Office)
(512) 574-0091 (Cell)

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Lynn Holdsworth
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Subject: [WebAIM] Where does CSS issue fail WCAG2?

Hi all,

Just doing an audit, and we have a styled focus indicator that's not quite wide enough to fit around its "Next" button and starts halfway through the N.

We feel like it should fail, but it's not a text resizing issue, and we can't find anything else to fail it under.

Does this fail? If so how?

Thanks as always, Lynn

From: Lynn Holdsworth
Date: Thu, Jun 11 2015 7:40AM
Subject: Re: Where does CSS issue fail WCAG2?
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No Mike, I'm sure they didn't mean it to look like that. But
unfortunately my audit ccan only flag up WCAG2 failures.

Cheers, Lynn

On 11/06/2015, Moore,Michael (HHSC) < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> I would think that it would fail to meet the design specifications. I can't
> imagine that the designer meant for it to look like that.
>
> Mike Moore
> Accessibility Coordinator
> Health and Human Services Commission
> Civil Rights Office
> (512) 438-3431 (Office)
> (512) 574-0091 (Cell)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf
> Of Lynn Holdsworth
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 5:45 AM
> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Subject: [WebAIM] Where does CSS issue fail WCAG2?
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just doing an audit, and we have a styled focus indicator that's not quite
> wide enough to fit around its "Next" button and starts halfway through the
> N.
>
> We feel like it should fail, but it's not a text resizing issue, and we
> can't find anything else to fail it under.
>
> Does this fail? If so how?
>
> Thanks as always, Lynn
> > > http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > >

From: Moore,Michael (HHSC)
Date: Thu, Jun 11 2015 7:51AM
Subject: Re: Where does CSS issue fail WCAG2?
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When I conduct audits, I usually add a section that covers any functional, organizational, usability, or design issues that I find problematic. I frequently find this to be a good place to mention things like button or form field placement that adversely impact people using screen magnification but do not fit neatly into the standards. I make it clear that these items are not required by the standards.

Mike Moore
Accessibility Coordinator
Texas Health and Human Services Commission
Civil Rights Office
(512) 438-3431 (Office)
(512) 574-0091 (Cell)


-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Lynn Holdsworth
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 8:41 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Where does CSS issue fail WCAG2?

No Mike, I'm sure they didn't mean it to look like that. But unfortunately my audit ccan only flag up WCAG2 failures.

Cheers, Lynn

On 11/06/2015, Moore,Michael (HHSC) < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> I would think that it would fail to meet the design specifications. I
> can't imagine that the designer meant for it to look like that.
>
> Mike Moore
> Accessibility Coordinator
> Health and Human Services Commission
> Civil Rights Office
> (512) 438-3431 (Office)
> (512) 574-0091 (Cell)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of Lynn Holdsworth
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 5:45 AM
> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Subject: [WebAIM] Where does CSS issue fail WCAG2?
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just doing an audit, and we have a styled focus indicator that's not
> quite wide enough to fit around its "Next" button and starts halfway
> through the N.
>
> We feel like it should fail, but it's not a text resizing issue, and
> we can't find anything else to fail it under.
>
> Does this fail? If so how?
>
> Thanks as always, Lynn
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >

From: Lynn Holdsworth
Date: Thu, Jun 11 2015 8:20AM
Subject: Re: Where does CSS issue fail WCAG2?
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Thanks Mike. I've got a recommendations list that's getting longer by
the hour. Ideally I'd have like to find ways to fail some of these
issues so they had to be foxed, but life's not like that.

Thanks again, Lynn

On 11/06/2015, Moore,Michael (HHSC) < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> When I conduct audits, I usually add a section that covers any functional,
> organizational, usability, or design issues that I find problematic. I
> frequently find this to be a good place to mention things like button or
> form field placement that adversely impact people using screen magnification
> but do not fit neatly into the standards. I make it clear that these items
> are not required by the standards.
>
> Mike Moore
> Accessibility Coordinator
> Texas Health and Human Services Commission
> Civil Rights Office
> (512) 438-3431 (Office)
> (512) 574-0091 (Cell)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf
> Of Lynn Holdsworth
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 8:41 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Where does CSS issue fail WCAG2?
>
> No Mike, I'm sure they didn't mean it to look like that. But unfortunately
> my audit ccan only flag up WCAG2 failures.
>
> Cheers, Lynn
>
> On 11/06/2015, Moore,Michael (HHSC) < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> I would think that it would fail to meet the design specifications. I
>> can't imagine that the designer meant for it to look like that.
>>
>> Mike Moore
>> Accessibility Coordinator
>> Health and Human Services Commission
>> Civil Rights Office
>> (512) 438-3431 (Office)
>> (512) 574-0091 (Cell)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
>> Behalf Of Lynn Holdsworth
>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 5:45 AM
>> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> Subject: [WebAIM] Where does CSS issue fail WCAG2?
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just doing an audit, and we have a styled focus indicator that's not
>> quite wide enough to fit around its "Next" button and starts halfway
>> through the N.
>>
>> We feel like it should fail, but it's not a text resizing issue, and
>> we can't find anything else to fail it under.
>>
>> Does this fail? If so how?
>>
>> Thanks as always, Lynn
>> >> >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> >> >> >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> >>
> > > http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > >

From: _mallory
Date: Thu, Jun 11 2015 9:13AM
Subject: Re: Where does CSS issue fail WCAG2?
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On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 03:20:47PM +0100, Lynn Holdsworth wrote:
> Thanks Mike. I've got a recommendations list that's getting longer by
> the hour. Ideally I'd have like to find ways to fail some of these
> issues so they had to be foxed, but life's not like that.

Wheer I work, the only thing anyone cares about are the one-off
pixels, and they're always super-urgent-priority. Interesting to
see a place where that's not the case.

cheers,
_mallory