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From: Patrick Dunphy
Date: Wed, Apr 05 2017 2:33PM
Subject: Carousels are bad but....
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Curious about people's thoughts on Netflix's movie/show carousel
implementation. Focus indicators could be stronger but overall I thought
it works well, esp for keyboard usage.

I'm not advocating the use of carousels in general but maybe it works for
Netflix because of the type of content (ie. endless lists of show/movie
titles)?

Thoughts?

-PD

From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Wed, Apr 05 2017 2:44PM
Subject: Re: Carousels are bad but....
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On 05/04/2017 21:33, Patrick Dunphy wrote:
> Curious about people's thoughts on Netflix's movie/show carousel
> implementation. Focus indicators could be stronger but overall I thought
> it works well, esp for keyboard usage.
>
> I'm not advocating the use of carousels in general but maybe it works for
> Netflix because of the type of content (ie. endless lists of show/movie
> titles)?
>
> Thoughts?

Absolute edicts are always wrong ;)

In seriousness, Netflix's interface is less of a carousel in the "bad"
http://shouldiuseacarousel.com/ sense and more of a horizontally
scrolling list of items. Different scenario. So yes it's fine I'd say
(all other things being equal, i.e. it being coded accessibly).

P
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From: Pierre Hachey
Date: Wed, Apr 05 2017 4:20PM
Subject: Re: Carousels are bad but....
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Hi, I think carousels are a great thing.
Easy to make accessible with tabindex=0 and aria-label=next for aria-label=previous
Pete
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Carousels are bad but....

On 05/04/2017 21:33, Patrick Dunphy wrote:
> Curious about people's thoughts on Netflix's movie/show carousel
> implementation. Focus indicators could be stronger but overall I thought
> it works well, esp for keyboard usage.
>
> I'm not advocating the use of carousels in general but maybe it works for
> Netflix because of the type of content (ie. endless lists of show/movie
> titles)?
>
> Thoughts?

Absolute edicts are always wrong ;)

In seriousness, Netflix's interface is less of a carousel in the "bad"
http://shouldiuseacarousel.com/ sense and more of a horizontally
scrolling list of items. Different scenario. So yes it's fine I'd say
(all other things being equal, i.e. it being coded accessibly).

P
--
Patrick H. Lauke

www.splintered.co.uk<;http://www.splintered.co.uk>; | https://github.com/patrickhlauke
http://flickr.com/photos/redux/ | http://redux.deviantart.com
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From: Patrick Dunphy
Date: Wed, Apr 05 2017 4:28PM
Subject: Re: Carousels are bad but....
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More comment bait than edict. :)

As a frequent lurker/seldom poster I'm in no position to make authorative
claims.

Your description is apt but isn't a horizontal scrolling list essentially a
carousel?

I guess what I'm wondering is that carousels are generally frowned upon yet
Netflix uses them effectively where as other high volume video sites such
as YouTube and Vimeo don't.

-PD





On Apr 5, 2017 4:44 PM, "Patrick H. Lauke" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

On 05/04/2017 21:33, Patrick Dunphy wrote:

> Curious about people's thoughts on Netflix's movie/show carousel
> implementation. Focus indicators could be stronger but overall I thought
> it works well, esp for keyboard usage.
>
> I'm not advocating the use of carousels in general but maybe it works for
> Netflix because of the type of content (ie. endless lists of show/movie
> titles)?
>
> Thoughts?
>

Absolute edicts are always wrong ;)

In seriousness, Netflix's interface is less of a carousel in the "bad"
http://shouldiuseacarousel.com/ sense and more of a horizontally scrolling
list of items. Different scenario. So yes it's fine I'd say (all other
things being equal, i.e. it being coded accessibly).

P
--
Patrick H. Lauke

www.splintered.co.uk | https://github.com/patrickhlauke
http://flickr.com/photos/redux/ | http://redux.deviantart.com
twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke

From: Pierre Hachey
Date: Wed, Apr 05 2017 4:40PM
Subject: Re: Carousels are bad but....
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I have no idea what bait than edit means but i have been in the businesses for 10 years in Canada and even took a course with the boys at Webaim.

I stand firm on my opinion even though i dont comment much on this forum.
Pete
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Sent: April 5, 2017 6:28:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Carousels are bad but....

More comment bait than edict. :)

As a frequent lurker/seldom poster I'm in no position to make authorative
claims.

Your description is apt but isn't a horizontal scrolling list essentially a
carousel?

I guess what I'm wondering is that carousels are generally frowned upon yet
Netflix uses them effectively where as other high volume video sites such
as YouTube and Vimeo don't.

-PD





On Apr 5, 2017 4:44 PM, "Patrick H. Lauke" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

On 05/04/2017 21:33, Patrick Dunphy wrote:

> Curious about people's thoughts on Netflix's movie/show carousel
> implementation. Focus indicators could be stronger but overall I thought
> it works well, esp for keyboard usage.
>
> I'm not advocating the use of carousels in general but maybe it works for
> Netflix because of the type of content (ie. endless lists of show/movie
> titles)?
>
> Thoughts?
>

Absolute edicts are always wrong ;)

In seriousness, Netflix's interface is less of a carousel in the "bad"
http://shouldiuseacarousel.com/ sense and more of a horizontally scrolling
list of items. Different scenario. So yes it's fine I'd say (all other
things being equal, i.e. it being coded accessibly).

P
--
Patrick H. Lauke

www.splintered.co.uk<;http://www.splintered.co.uk>; | https://github.com/patrickhlauke
http://flickr.com/photos/redux/ | http://redux.deviantart.com
twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke

From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Wed, Apr 05 2017 6:16PM
Subject: Re: Carousels are bad but....
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On 05/04/2017 23:28, Patrick Dunphy wrote:

> Your description is apt but isn't a horizontal scrolling list essentially a
> carousel?
>
> I guess what I'm wondering is that carousels are generally frowned upon yet
> Netflix uses them effectively where as other high volume video sites such
> as YouTube and Vimeo don't.

The generally frowned-upon carousels are the ones parodied in
http://shouldiuseacarousel.com/ ... the sort of thing you'd find on a
page with
5 or 6 slides pointing to different bits of content that management
insisted must
all be on the homepage, and the designer combined into a single carousel
so as to
at least mitigate the problem instead of plastering all that stuff all
over the homepage ;)

The distinction is probably open to argumentation, but I'd still say
that a horizontally scrolling list of items (like movies etc) - possibly
items of the same type? - is technically a carousel, but not the kind
that people have the frowny reaction to.

In short, all good I'd say :)

P
--
Patrick H. Lauke

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From: Tim Harshbarger
Date: Thu, Apr 06 2017 5:31AM
Subject: Re: Carousels are bad but....
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My observation is that there are different kinds of "bad".

Some things are just bad concepts. I think most of us would likely agree that using placeholder text as a label would be a bad concept. Other things have bad implementations. A carousel is a good concept when used correctly. Unfortunately, we tend to see a lot of bad implementations of carousels.

I think there is also some nuance within those aspects. A concept might be bad for everyone or just bad for some users. An implementation might be a complete disaster or it might only have a single problem.

At least, that seems to be the case based on previous discussions on this list.

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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Carousels are bad but....

On 05/04/2017 23:28, Patrick Dunphy wrote:

> Your description is apt but isn't a horizontal scrolling list essentially a
> carousel?
>
> I guess what I'm wondering is that carousels are generally frowned upon yet
> Netflix uses them effectively where as other high volume video sites such
> as YouTube and Vimeo don't.

The generally frowned-upon carousels are the ones parodied in
http://shouldiuseacarousel.com/ ... the sort of thing you'd find on a
page with
5 or 6 slides pointing to different bits of content that management
insisted must
all be on the homepage, and the designer combined into a single carousel
so as to
at least mitigate the problem instead of plastering all that stuff all
over the homepage ;)

The distinction is probably open to argumentation, but I'd still say
that a horizontally scrolling list of items (like movies etc) - possibly
items of the same type? - is technically a carousel, but not the kind
that people have the frowny reaction to.

In short, all good I'd say :)

P
--
Patrick H. Lauke

www.splintered.co.uk | https://github.com/patrickhlauke
http://flickr.com/photos/redux/ | http://redux.deviantart.com
twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke