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From: Jackson, Derek
Date: Fri, Jan 12 2018 12:51PM
Subject: Accessibility of EPUB vs PDF
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Hello,


I am trying to make the argument that relying solely on PDF has a lot of pitfalls when considering the need to provide accessible digital content, while offering EPUB in conjunction with PDF brings great benefits in terms of accessibility (providing DAISY Files, customizable color/font/background, Reflowable, etc.). I wonder if anyone on this listserv might know of related resources or have thoughts that I could rely on to make this argument... or perhaps does anyone find an issue with this notion?


In addition I have been looking for any information on user preferences for accessible formats, e.g. what is the break down of usage/preference for accessible content in different formats (PDF vs EPUB vs HTML(browser)). Does anyone know if that has been gathered anywhere?


Any help, ideas, references, or suggestions is greatly appreciated!

Derek


Derek Jackson

Manager, Content Production



HARVARD BUSINESS PUBLISHING

20 Guest Street, Suite 700 | Brighton, MA 02135

617.787.6711 | 617.783.7492 fax

hbsp.harvard.edu

From: L Snider
Date: Fri, Jan 12 2018 1:07PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility of EPUB vs PDF
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Hi Derek,

I did extensive research on EPUB about a year ago, and just started another
round. I found a ton of resources in the academic book publishing industry,
like this one:
http://accessinghigherground.org/epub-versus-pdf-epub-is-the-new-standard-for-accessible-ebooks/

A link to a PowerPoint is here (sorry for the long URL)
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved
hUKEwjhxryUm9PYAhUO7mMKHf5FBmQQFghSMAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Faccessinghigherground.org%2Fwp%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F06%2FePUB-versus-PDF.pptx&authuser=1&usg=AOvVaw2KpeGmfDfsMf93m2GUW6TD

I would suggest not going lower than EPUB 3, as Daisy was brought into that
version.

Major places like IBM went to EPUB:
http://forums.techsoup.org/cs/community/f/24/t/38861.aspx

There is now a good EPUB checker that was brought out recently:
http://validator.idpf.org/

One problem I found was the creation tools were lacking. InDesign can make
a pretty good EPUB (if you make that doc accessible), but for Word, etc. I
had real problems finding a good solution. There are a couple of creation
programs out there, but that was the sticking point at that time. Calibre
was a really easy to use convertor, but it only did EPUB 2 files...I wish
someone would update it, it would really make a huge difference!

Hope that helps!

Cheers

Lisa
PS-Some of the links above are not the best resources, but they were the
ones that sprang to mind first!


On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:51 PM, Jackson, Derek <
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
> I am trying to make the argument that relying solely on PDF has a lot of
> pitfalls when considering the need to provide accessible digital content,
> while offering EPUB in conjunction with PDF brings great benefits in terms
> of accessibility (providing DAISY Files, customizable
> color/font/background, Reflowable, etc.). I wonder if anyone on this
> listserv might know of related resources or have thoughts that I could rely
> on to make this argument... or perhaps does anyone find an issue with this
> notion?
>
>
> In addition I have been looking for any information on user preferences
> for accessible formats, e.g. what is the break down of usage/preference for
> accessible content in different formats (PDF vs EPUB vs HTML(browser)).
> Does anyone know if that has been gathered anywhere?
>
>
> Any help, ideas, references, or suggestions is greatly appreciated!
>
> Derek
>
>
> Derek Jackson
>
> Manager, Content Production
>
>
>
> HARVARD BUSINESS PUBLISHING
>
> 20 Guest Street, Suite 700 | Brighton, MA 02135
>
> 617.787.6711 | 617.783.7492 fax
>
> hbsp.harvard.edu
>
>
>
> > > > >

From: Jackson, Derek
Date: Fri, Jan 12 2018 1:35PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility of EPUB vs PDF
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Hi Lisa,


Yes that helps a lot! It also leads me down another good path of looking at other publishers that have made the switch to EPUB.


Thank You!

Derek





From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > on behalf of L Snider < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:07:20 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility of EPUB vs PDF

Hi Derek,

I did extensive research on EPUB about a year ago, and just started another
round. I found a ton of resources in the academic book publishing industry,
like this one:
http://accessinghigherground.org/epub-versus-pdf-epub-is-the-new-standard-for-accessible-ebooks/

A link to a PowerPoint is here (sorry for the long URL)
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved
hUKEwjhxryUm9PYAhUO7mMKHf5FBmQQFghSMAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Faccessinghigherground.org%2Fwp%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F06%2FePUB-versus-PDF.pptx&authuser=1&usg=AOvVaw2KpeGmfDfsMf93m2GUW6TD

I would suggest not going lower than EPUB 3, as Daisy was brought into that
version.

Major places like IBM went to EPUB:
http://forums.techsoup.org/cs/community/f/24/t/38861.aspx

There is now a good EPUB checker that was brought out recently:
http://validator.idpf.org/

One problem I found was the creation tools were lacking. InDesign can make
a pretty good EPUB (if you make that doc accessible), but for Word, etc. I
had real problems finding a good solution. There are a couple of creation
programs out there, but that was the sticking point at that time. Calibre
was a really easy to use convertor, but it only did EPUB 2 files...I wish
someone would update it, it would really make a huge difference!

Hope that helps!

Cheers

Lisa
PS-Some of the links above are not the best resources, but they were the
ones that sprang to mind first!


On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:51 PM, Jackson, Derek <
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
> I am trying to make the argument that relying solely on PDF has a lot of
> pitfalls when considering the need to provide accessible digital content,
> while offering EPUB in conjunction with PDF brings great benefits in terms
> of accessibility (providing DAISY Files, customizable
> color/font/background, Reflowable, etc.). I wonder if anyone on this
> listserv might know of related resources or have thoughts that I could rely
> on to make this argument... or perhaps does anyone find an issue with this
> notion?
>
>
> In addition I have been looking for any information on user preferences
> for accessible formats, e.g. what is the break down of usage/preference for
> accessible content in different formats (PDF vs EPUB vs HTML(browser)).
> Does anyone know if that has been gathered anywhere?
>
>
> Any help, ideas, references, or suggestions is greatly appreciated!
>
> Derek
>
>
> Derek Jackson
>
> Manager, Content Production
>
>
>
> HARVARD BUSINESS PUBLISHING
>
> 20 Guest Street, Suite 700 | Brighton, MA 02135
>
> 617.787.6711 | 617.783.7492 fax
>
> hbsp.harvard.edu
>
>
>
> > > > >

From: L Snider
Date: Fri, Jan 12 2018 2:29PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility of EPUB vs PDF
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Hi Derek,

One of the big publishers went to EPUB, and not PDF about a year ago. I
could be totally wrong, but it was a big one like Harper Collins.

The one other issue I found a year or so ago, was that the readers were not
as common as I would have liked...That was a sticking point as well, even
though EPUB is basically HTML in a box. Today, I am not sure I would say
that, but it hasn't changed significantly.

I still like the idea of EPUB a lot, and think it has great potential.
PDF/UA has helped PDFs, and I now don't consider them apples and oranges,
even though one can still argue that PDFs are problematic in many ways.

Hope that helps!

Cheers

Lisa

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Jackson, Derek <
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hi Lisa,
>
>
> Yes that helps a lot! It also leads me down another good path of looking
> at other publishers that have made the switch to EPUB.
>
>
> Thank You!
>
> Derek
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > on behalf of L
> Snider < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:07:20 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility of EPUB vs PDF
>
> Hi Derek,
>
> I did extensive research on EPUB about a year ago, and just started another
> round. I found a ton of resources in the academic book publishing industry,
> like this one:
> http://accessinghigherground.org/epub-versus-pdf-epub-is-
> the-new-standard-for-accessible-ebooks/
>
> A link to a PowerPoint is here (sorry for the long URL)
> https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&
> cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved
hUKEwjhxryUm9PYAhUO7mMKHf5FB
> mQQFghSMAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Faccessinghigherground.org%
> 2Fwp%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F06%2FePUB-versus-PDF.
> pptx&authuser=1&usg=AOvVaw2KpeGmfDfsMf93m2GUW6TD
>
> I would suggest not going lower than EPUB 3, as Daisy was brought into that
> version.
>
> Major places like IBM went to EPUB:
> http://forums.techsoup.org/cs/community/f/24/t/38861.aspx
>
> There is now a good EPUB checker that was brought out recently:
> http://validator.idpf.org/
>
> One problem I found was the creation tools were lacking. InDesign can make
> a pretty good EPUB (if you make that doc accessible), but for Word, etc. I
> had real problems finding a good solution. There are a couple of creation
> programs out there, but that was the sticking point at that time. Calibre
> was a really easy to use convertor, but it only did EPUB 2 files...I wish
> someone would update it, it would really make a huge difference!
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
> PS-Some of the links above are not the best resources, but they were the
> ones that sprang to mind first!
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:51 PM, Jackson, Derek <
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > I am trying to make the argument that relying solely on PDF has a lot of
> > pitfalls when considering the need to provide accessible digital content,
> > while offering EPUB in conjunction with PDF brings great benefits in
> terms
> > of accessibility (providing DAISY Files, customizable
> > color/font/background, Reflowable, etc.). I wonder if anyone on this
> > listserv might know of related resources or have thoughts that I could
> rely
> > on to make this argument... or perhaps does anyone find an issue with
> this
> > notion?
> >
> >
> > In addition I have been looking for any information on user preferences
> > for accessible formats, e.g. what is the break down of usage/preference
> for
> > accessible content in different formats (PDF vs EPUB vs HTML(browser)).
> > Does anyone know if that has been gathered anywhere?
> >
> >
> > Any help, ideas, references, or suggestions is greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Derek
> >
> >
> > Derek Jackson
> >
> > Manager, Content Production
> >
> >
> >
> > HARVARD BUSINESS PUBLISHING
> >
> > 20 Guest Street, Suite 700 | Brighton, MA 02135
> >
> > 617.787.6711 | 617.783.7492 fax
> >
> > hbsp.harvard.edu
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >

From: Mallory
Date: Sun, Jan 14 2018 10:27AM
Subject: Re: Accessibility of EPUB vs PDF
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Pearson publishes EPUBs as well. As for readers, I'm a bit confused but just heard Microsoft announce something about EPUB3 support in Edge (the browser).

cheers,
Mallory

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, at 10:29 PM, L Snider wrote:
> Hi Derek,
>
> One of the big publishers went to EPUB, and not PDF about a year ago. I
> could be totally wrong, but it was a big one like Harper Collins.
>
> The one other issue I found a year or so ago, was that the readers were not
> as common as I would have liked...That was a sticking point as well, even
> though EPUB is basically HTML in a box. Today, I am not sure I would say
> that, but it hasn't changed significantly.
>
> I still like the idea of EPUB a lot, and think it has great potential.
> PDF/UA has helped PDFs, and I now don't consider them apples and oranges,
> even though one can still argue that PDFs are problematic in many ways.
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Jackson, Derek <
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > Hi Lisa,
> >
> >
> > Yes that helps a lot! It also leads me down another good path of looking
> > at other publishers that have made the switch to EPUB.
> >
> >
> > Thank You!
> >
> > Derek
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > on behalf of L
> > Snider < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:07:20 PM
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility of EPUB vs PDF
> >
> > Hi Derek,
> >
> > I did extensive research on EPUB about a year ago, and just started another
> > round. I found a ton of resources in the academic book publishing industry,
> > like this one:
> > http://accessinghigherground.org/epub-versus-pdf-epub-is-
> > the-new-standard-for-accessible-ebooks/
> >
> > A link to a PowerPoint is here (sorry for the long URL)
> > https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&
> > cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved
hUKEwjhxryUm9PYAhUO7mMKHf5FB
> > mQQFghSMAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Faccessinghigherground.org%
> > 2Fwp%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F06%2FePUB-versus-PDF.
> > pptx&authuser=1&usg=AOvVaw2KpeGmfDfsMf93m2GUW6TD
> >
> > I would suggest not going lower than EPUB 3, as Daisy was brought into that
> > version.
> >
> > Major places like IBM went to EPUB:
> > http://forums.techsoup.org/cs/community/f/24/t/38861.aspx
> >
> > There is now a good EPUB checker that was brought out recently:
> > http://validator.idpf.org/
> >
> > One problem I found was the creation tools were lacking. InDesign can make
> > a pretty good EPUB (if you make that doc accessible), but for Word, etc. I
> > had real problems finding a good solution. There are a couple of creation
> > programs out there, but that was the sticking point at that time. Calibre
> > was a really easy to use convertor, but it only did EPUB 2 files...I wish
> > someone would update it, it would really make a huge difference!
> >
> > Hope that helps!
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Lisa
> > PS-Some of the links above are not the best resources, but they were the
> > ones that sprang to mind first!
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:51 PM, Jackson, Derek <
> > = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > >
> > > I am trying to make the argument that relying solely on PDF has a lot of
> > > pitfalls when considering the need to provide accessible digital content,
> > > while offering EPUB in conjunction with PDF brings great benefits in
> > terms
> > > of accessibility (providing DAISY Files, customizable
> > > color/font/background, Reflowable, etc.). I wonder if anyone on this
> > > listserv might know of related resources or have thoughts that I could
> > rely
> > > on to make this argument... or perhaps does anyone find an issue with
> > this
> > > notion?
> > >
> > >
> > > In addition I have been looking for any information on user preferences
> > > for accessible formats, e.g. what is the break down of usage/preference
> > for
> > > accessible content in different formats (PDF vs EPUB vs HTML(browser)).
> > > Does anyone know if that has been gathered anywhere?
> > >
> > >
> > > Any help, ideas, references, or suggestions is greatly appreciated!
> > >
> > > Derek
> > >
> > >
> > > Derek Jackson
> > >
> > > Manager, Content Production
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > HARVARD BUSINESS PUBLISHING
> > >
> > > 20 Guest Street, Suite 700 | Brighton, MA 02135
> > >
> > > 617.787.6711 | 617.783.7492 fax
> > >
> > > hbsp.harvard.edu
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >

From: Ajay Sharma
Date: Mon, Jan 15 2018 8:13AM
Subject: Re: Accessibility of EPUB vs PDF
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Hi,

Due to the fixed layout nature of PDF, it is not a suitable format for many.
Users cannot customize the display e.g. line spacing, word spacing,
background and foreground colour, font etc. All this is very important for
users with dyslexia and visual impairments.
Further, PDF is not suitable for viewing on small screens.
Since it isolates a large group of users, PDF should not be considered for
electronic publishing. When documents are intended to be printed, then PDF
should be used.

EPUB fulfils all the requirements listed above.
When we talk about accessible content, the main principle is that users with
different disabilities have different needs and they may prefer different
formats for a variety of reasons.
Some may like DAISY just because they are used to it while others may like
HTML pages because it does not require them to use specific apps and
devices.
EPUB is the most suitable master format. If needed other formats can be
easily derived from it.
EPUB is the format through which Inclusive Publishing can be promoted.
EPUB version 3 and later has been created for the mainstream, it fulfils the
market requirements and at the same time has accessibility bilt into it.
Publishers can create EPUB to sell through online retailers like Amazon,
Google etc. The same file be used by users with disabilities without any
modification.

You may find a few arguments here:
https://www.kotobee.com/blog/epub-vs-pdf-battle-formats/
and
https://blog.reedsy.com/epub-vs-mobi-vs-pdf/

Best Regards,
Ajay



-----Original Message-----

> On 13-Jan-2018, at 2:59 AM, L Snider < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Hi Derek,
>
> One of the big publishers went to EPUB, and not PDF about a year ago. I
> could be totally wrong, but it was a big one like Harper Collins.
>
> The one other issue I found a year or so ago, was that the readers were not
> as common as I would have liked...That was a sticking point as well, even
> though EPUB is basically HTML in a box. Today, I am not sure I would say
> that, but it hasn't changed significantly.
>
> I still like the idea of EPUB a lot, and think it has great potential.
> PDF/UA has helped PDFs, and I now don't consider them apples and oranges,
> even though one can still argue that PDFs are problematic in many ways.
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Jackson, Derek <
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> Hi Lisa,
>>
>>
>> Yes that helps a lot! It also leads me down another good path of looking
>> at other publishers that have made the switch to EPUB.
>>
>>
>> Thank You!
>>
>> Derek
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > on behalf of L
>> Snider < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:07:20 PM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility of EPUB vs PDF
>>
>> Hi Derek,
>>
>> I did extensive research on EPUB about a year ago, and just started another
>> round. I found a ton of resources in the academic book publishing industry,
>> like this one:
>> http://accessinghigherground.org/epub-versus-pdf-epub-is-
>> the-new-standard-for-accessible-ebooks/
>>
>> A link to a PowerPoint is here (sorry for the long URL)
>> https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&
>> cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved
hUKEwjhxryUm9PYAhUO7mMKHf5FB
>> mQQFghSMAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Faccessinghigherground.org%
>> 2Fwp%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F06%2FePUB-versus-PDF.
>> pptx&authuser=1&usg=AOvVaw2KpeGmfDfsMf93m2GUW6TD
>>
>> I would suggest not going lower than EPUB 3, as Daisy was brought into that
>> version.
>>
>> Major places like IBM went to EPUB:
>> http://forums.techsoup.org/cs/community/f/24/t/38861.aspx
>>
>> There is now a good EPUB checker that was brought out recently:
>> http://validator.idpf.org/
>>
>> One problem I found was the creation tools were lacking. InDesign can make
>> a pretty good EPUB (if you make that doc accessible), but for Word, etc. I
>> had real problems finding a good solution. There are a couple of creation
>> programs out there, but that was the sticking point at that time. Calibre
>> was a really easy to use convertor, but it only did EPUB 2 files...I wish
>> someone would update it, it would really make a huge difference!
>>
>> Hope that helps!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Lisa
>> PS-Some of the links above are not the best resources, but they were the
>> ones that sprang to mind first!
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:51 PM, Jackson, Derek <
>> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>> I am trying to make the argument that relying solely on PDF has a lot of
>>> pitfalls when considering the need to provide accessible digital content,
>>> while offering EPUB in conjunction with PDF brings great benefits in
>> terms
>>> of accessibility (providing DAISY Files, customizable
>>> color/font/background, Reflowable, etc.). I wonder if anyone on this
>>> listserv might know of related resources or have thoughts that I could
>> rely
>>> on to make this argument... or perhaps does anyone find an issue with
>> this
>>> notion?
>>>
>>>
>>> In addition I have been looking for any information on user preferences
>>> for accessible formats, e.g. what is the break down of usage/preference
>> for
>>> accessible content in different formats (PDF vs EPUB vs HTML(browser)).
>>> Does anyone know if that has been gathered anywhere?
>>>
>>>
>>> Any help, ideas, references, or suggestions is greatly appreciated!
>>>
>>> Derek
>>>
>>>
>>> Derek Jackson
>>>
>>> Manager, Content Production
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HARVARD BUSINESS PUBLISHING
>>>
>>> 20 Guest Street, Suite 700 | Brighton, MA 02135
>>>
>>> 617.787.6711 | 617.783.7492 fax
>>>
>>> hbsp.harvard.edu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> > > >

From: Jim Homme
Date: Tue, Jan 16 2018 11:29AM
Subject: Re: Accessibility of EPUB vs PDF
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Hi,
I've had success on iPhone reading ePub books with an app called VoiceDream Reader. I think there is an Android version of the app. One of its drawbacks is that you can't examine down to the character level. Another is that you can't easily examine a book if you want to do a lot of reading and stopping. Other than that, I like the app.

Thanks.

Jim


Jim Homme

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of L Snider
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 4:29 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility of EPUB vs PDF

Hi Derek,

One of the big publishers went to EPUB, and not PDF about a year ago. I could be totally wrong, but it was a big one like Harper Collins.

The one other issue I found a year or so ago, was that the readers were not as common as I would have liked...That was a sticking point as well, even though EPUB is basically HTML in a box. Today, I am not sure I would say that, but it hasn't changed significantly.

I still like the idea of EPUB a lot, and think it has great potential.
PDF/UA has helped PDFs, and I now don't consider them apples and oranges, even though one can still argue that PDFs are problematic in many ways.

Hope that helps!

Cheers

Lisa

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Jackson, Derek < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hi Lisa,
>
>
> Yes that helps a lot! It also leads me down another good path of
> looking at other publishers that have made the switch to EPUB.
>
>
> Thank You!
>
> Derek
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > on behalf of
> L Snider < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:07:20 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility of EPUB vs PDF
>
> Hi Derek,
>
> I did extensive research on EPUB about a year ago, and just started
> another round. I found a ton of resources in the academic book
> publishing industry, like this one:
> http://accessinghigherground.org/epub-versus-pdf-epub-is-
> the-new-standard-for-accessible-ebooks/
>
> A link to a PowerPoint is here (sorry for the long URL)
> https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&
> cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved
hUKEwjhxryUm9PYAhUO7mMKHf5FB
> mQQFghSMAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Faccessinghigherground.org%
> 2Fwp%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F06%2FePUB-versus-PDF.
> pptx&authuser=1&usg=AOvVaw2KpeGmfDfsMf93m2GUW6TD
>
> I would suggest not going lower than EPUB 3, as Daisy was brought into
> that version.
>
> Major places like IBM went to EPUB:
> http://forums.techsoup.org/cs/community/f/24/t/38861.aspx
>
> There is now a good EPUB checker that was brought out recently:
> http://validator.idpf.org/
>
> One problem I found was the creation tools were lacking. InDesign can
> make a pretty good EPUB (if you make that doc accessible), but for
> Word, etc. I had real problems finding a good solution. There are a
> couple of creation programs out there, but that was the sticking point
> at that time. Calibre was a really easy to use convertor, but it only
> did EPUB 2 files...I wish someone would update it, it would really make a huge difference!
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
> PS-Some of the links above are not the best resources, but they were
> the ones that sprang to mind first!
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:51 PM, Jackson, Derek <
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > I am trying to make the argument that relying solely on PDF has a
> > lot of pitfalls when considering the need to provide accessible
> > digital content, while offering EPUB in conjunction with PDF brings
> > great benefits in
> terms
> > of accessibility (providing DAISY Files, customizable
> > color/font/background, Reflowable, etc.). I wonder if anyone on this
> > listserv might know of related resources or have thoughts that I
> > could
> rely
> > on to make this argument... or perhaps does anyone find an issue
> > with
> this
> > notion?
> >
> >
> > In addition I have been looking for any information on user
> > preferences for accessible formats, e.g. what is the break down of
> > usage/preference
> for
> > accessible content in different formats (PDF vs EPUB vs HTML(browser)).
> > Does anyone know if that has been gathered anywhere?
> >
> >
> > Any help, ideas, references, or suggestions is greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Derek
> >
> >
> > Derek Jackson
> >
> > Manager, Content Production
> >
> >
> >
> > HARVARD BUSINESS PUBLISHING
> >
> > 20 Guest Street, Suite 700 | Brighton, MA 02135
> >
> > 617.787.6711 | 617.783.7492 fax
> >
> > hbsp.harvard.edu
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > >
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >

From: L Snider
Date: Tue, Jan 16 2018 4:36PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility of EPUB vs PDF
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Hi Ajay,

All valid points, but large publishers have different budgets and resources
than the average Joe or Jane in business or an organization. In my
experience and view, if there is no easy to use and stable plug in for Word
that creates EPUB 3 and above with a 'save as', EPUB will never gain major
market traction. At least InDesign is now, in my view, able to produce
fairly good EPUBs (if the author produces an accessible InDesign doc), and
that is a good start...but it has a long way to go.

Cheers

Lisa

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:13 AM, Ajay Sharma < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Due to the fixed layout nature of PDF, it is not a suitable format for
> many.
> Users cannot customize the display e.g. line spacing, word spacing,
> background and foreground colour, font etc. All this is very important for
> users with dyslexia and visual impairments.
> Further, PDF is not suitable for viewing on small screens.
> Since it isolates a large group of users, PDF should not be considered for
> electronic publishing. When documents are intended to be printed, then PDF
> should be used.
>
> EPUB fulfils all the requirements listed above.
> When we talk about accessible content, the main principle is that users
> with
> different disabilities have different needs and they may prefer different
> formats for a variety of reasons.
> Some may like DAISY just because they are used to it while others may like
> HTML pages because it does not require them to use specific apps and
> devices.
> EPUB is the most suitable master format. If needed other formats can be
> easily derived from it.
> EPUB is the format through which Inclusive Publishing can be promoted.
> EPUB version 3 and later has been created for the mainstream, it fulfils
> the
> market requirements and at the same time has accessibility bilt into it.
> Publishers can create EPUB to sell through online retailers like Amazon,
> Google etc. The same file be used by users with disabilities without any
> modification.
>
> You may find a few arguments here:
> https://www.kotobee.com/blog/epub-vs-pdf-battle-formats/
> and
> https://blog.reedsy.com/epub-vs-mobi-vs-pdf/
>
> Best Regards,
> Ajay
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> > On 13-Jan-2018, at 2:59 AM, L Snider < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Derek,
> >
> > One of the big publishers went to EPUB, and not PDF about a year ago. I
> > could be totally wrong, but it was a big one like Harper Collins.
> >
> > The one other issue I found a year or so ago, was that the readers were
> not
> > as common as I would have liked...That was a sticking point as well, even
> > though EPUB is basically HTML in a box. Today, I am not sure I would say
> > that, but it hasn't changed significantly.
> >
> > I still like the idea of EPUB a lot, and think it has great potential.
> > PDF/UA has helped PDFs, and I now don't consider them apples and oranges,
> > even though one can still argue that PDFs are problematic in many ways.
> >
> > Hope that helps!
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Lisa
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Jackson, Derek <
> > = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Lisa,
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes that helps a lot! It also leads me down another good path of looking
> >> at other publishers that have made the switch to EPUB.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank You!
> >>
> >> Derek
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > >> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > on behalf of
> L
> >> Snider < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> >> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:07:20 PM
> >> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> >> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessibility of EPUB vs PDF
> >>
> >> Hi Derek,
> >>
> >> I did extensive research on EPUB about a year ago, and just started
> another
> >> round. I found a ton of resources in the academic book publishing
> industry,
> >> like this one:
> >> http://accessinghigherground.org/epub-versus-pdf-epub-is-
> >> the-new-standard-for-accessible-ebooks/
> >>
> >> A link to a PowerPoint is here (sorry for the long URL)
> >> https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&
> >> cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved
hUKEwjhxryUm9PYAhUO7mMKHf5FB
> >> mQQFghSMAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Faccessinghigherground.org%
> >> 2Fwp%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F06%2FePUB-versus-PDF.
> >> pptx&authuser=1&usg=AOvVaw2KpeGmfDfsMf93m2GUW6TD
> >>
> >> I would suggest not going lower than EPUB 3, as Daisy was brought into
> that
> >> version.
> >>
> >> Major places like IBM went to EPUB:
> >> http://forums.techsoup.org/cs/community/f/24/t/38861.aspx
> >>
> >> There is now a good EPUB checker that was brought out recently:
> >> http://validator.idpf.org/
> >>
> >> One problem I found was the creation tools were lacking. InDesign can
> make
> >> a pretty good EPUB (if you make that doc accessible), but for Word,
> etc. I
> >> had real problems finding a good solution. There are a couple of
> creation
> >> programs out there, but that was the sticking point at that time.
> Calibre
> >> was a really easy to use convertor, but it only did EPUB 2 files...I
> wish
> >> someone would update it, it would really make a huge difference!
> >>
> >> Hope that helps!
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Lisa
> >> PS-Some of the links above are not the best resources, but they were the
> >> ones that sprang to mind first!
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:51 PM, Jackson, Derek <
> >> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I am trying to make the argument that relying solely on PDF has a lot
> of
> >>> pitfalls when considering the need to provide accessible digital
> content,
> >>> while offering EPUB in conjunction with PDF brings great benefits in
> >> terms
> >>> of accessibility (providing DAISY Files, customizable
> >>> color/font/background, Reflowable, etc.). I wonder if anyone on this
> >>> listserv might know of related resources or have thoughts that I could
> >> rely
> >>> on to make this argument... or perhaps does anyone find an issue with
> >> this
> >>> notion?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In addition I have been looking for any information on user preferences
> >>> for accessible formats, e.g. what is the break down of usage/preference
> >> for
> >>> accessible content in different formats (PDF vs EPUB vs HTML(browser)).
> >>> Does anyone know if that has been gathered anywhere?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Any help, ideas, references, or suggestions is greatly appreciated!
> >>>
> >>> Derek
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Derek Jackson
> >>>
> >>> Manager, Content Production
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> HARVARD BUSINESS PUBLISHING
> >>>
> >>> 20 Guest Street, Suite 700 | Brighton, MA 02135
> >>>
> >>> 617.787.6711 | 617.783.7492 fax
> >>>
> >>> hbsp.harvard.edu
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >