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From: Levon Spradlin
Date: Tue, Mar 06 2018 3:56PM
Subject: Enabling NVDA in Google Docs, in Parallels on a Mac
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Yeah, I have no idea whether or not this will work either. I'm trying to
avoid hauling around more devices than necessary when traveling, trying to
get more experience with NVDA. I'm a Mac guy, but do some technical work in
Parallels on occasion to avoid firing up my PC.

I'm trying to figure out how to get screen reader support enabled within
Google Docs, but the hot key combination doesn't seem to work. I'm getting
the usual audible feedback from NVDA when navigating through a doc via
directional keys.

I'm guessing it's because I'm trying to do this within Parallels on a Mac,
but I'm hoping that someone else has run into a similar issue and has
sorted it out.

cheers,
Levon

From: Lucy Greco
Date: Tue, Mar 06 2018 4:13PM
Subject: Re: Enabling NVDA in Google Docs, in Parallels on a Mac
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hi i have done this and i would say your best bet is to use vmwair or
vertual box. the UI is kinda bad in vb so if your blind vmwair is the
better choice i tryed pairalellsfew years ago and it was not good at
managing the sound so that the speachj did not come out rite at all

Lucia Greco
Web Accessibility Evangelist
IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
Follow me on twitter @accessaces


On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Levon Spradlin < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Yeah, I have no idea whether or not this will work either. I'm trying to
> avoid hauling around more devices than necessary when traveling, trying to
> get more experience with NVDA. I'm a Mac guy, but do some technical work in
> Parallels on occasion to avoid firing up my PC.
>
> I'm trying to figure out how to get screen reader support enabled within
> Google Docs, but the hot key combination doesn't seem to work. I'm getting
> the usual audible feedback from NVDA when navigating through a doc via
> directional keys.
>
> I'm guessing it's because I'm trying to do this within Parallels on a Mac,
> but I'm hoping that someone else has run into a similar issue and has
> sorted it out.
>
> cheers,
> Levon
> > > > >

From: Len Burns
Date: Tue, Mar 06 2018 4:30PM
Subject: Re: Enabling NVDA in Google Docs, in Parallels on a Mac
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I would second this. As a blind tester, I use VMWare daily. The accessibility of VMWare is quite good. Windows10 is well behaved, in fact, it is rare I start my Windows computer these days in preference for the Mac.

-Len

> On Mar 6, 2018, at 3:13 PM, Lucy Greco < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> hi i have done this and i would say your best bet is to use vmwair or
> vertual box. the UI is kinda bad in vb so if your blind vmwair is the
> better choice i tryed pairalellsfew years ago and it was not good at
> managing the sound so that the speachj did not come out rite at all
>
> Lucia Greco
> Web Accessibility Evangelist
> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> University of California, Berkeley
> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> Follow me on twitter @accessaces
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Levon Spradlin < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I have no idea whether or not this will work either. I'm trying to
>> avoid hauling around more devices than necessary when traveling, trying to
>> get more experience with NVDA. I'm a Mac guy, but do some technical work in
>> Parallels on occasion to avoid firing up my PC.
>>
>> I'm trying to figure out how to get screen reader support enabled within
>> Google Docs, but the hot key combination doesn't seem to work. I'm getting
>> the usual audible feedback from NVDA when navigating through a doc via
>> directional keys.
>>
>> I'm guessing it's because I'm trying to do this within Parallels on a Mac,
>> but I'm hoping that someone else has run into a similar issue and has
>> sorted it out.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Levon
>> >> >> >> >>
> > > >

From: Levon Spradlin
Date: Tue, Mar 06 2018 9:23PM
Subject: Re: Enabling NVDA in Google Docs, in Parallels on a Mac
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Thanks to you both for the feedback. I finally gave up and enabled it from
the Google Docs menu. I'm doing testing work, so it's the hot key issue
doesn't affect me directly, but hopefully someone with Parallels will be
able to address it in their product eventually. I'm thrilled to jot have to
fire up a Windows box now, especially when on the road.

Cheers,
Levon

On Mar 6, 2018 3:30 PM, "Len Burns via WebAIM-Forum" <
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> I would second this. As a blind tester, I use VMWare daily. The
> accessibility of VMWare is quite good. Windows10 is well behaved, in fact,
> it is rare I start my Windows computer these days in preference for the Mac.
>
> -Len
>
> > On Mar 6, 2018, at 3:13 PM, Lucy Greco < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > hi i have done this and i would say your best bet is to use vmwair or
> > vertual box. the UI is kinda bad in vb so if your blind vmwair is the
> > better choice i tryed pairalellsfew years ago and it was not good at
> > managing the sound so that the speachj did not come out rite at all
> >
> > Lucia Greco
> > Web Accessibility Evangelist
> > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> > University of California, Berkeley
> > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> > Follow me on twitter @accessaces
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Levon Spradlin < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah, I have no idea whether or not this will work either. I'm trying to
> >> avoid hauling around more devices than necessary when traveling, trying
> to
> >> get more experience with NVDA. I'm a Mac guy, but do some technical
> work in
> >> Parallels on occasion to avoid firing up my PC.
> >>
> >> I'm trying to figure out how to get screen reader support enabled within
> >> Google Docs, but the hot key combination doesn't seem to work. I'm
> getting
> >> the usual audible feedback from NVDA when navigating through a doc via
> >> directional keys.
> >>
> >> I'm guessing it's because I'm trying to do this within Parallels on a
> Mac,
> >> but I'm hoping that someone else has run into a similar issue and has
> >> sorted it out.
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> Levon
> >> > >> > >> > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >

From: JP Jamous
Date: Wed, Mar 07 2018 12:51AM
Subject: Re: Enabling NVDA in Google Docs, in Parallels on a Mac
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Don't forget that Hyper-V is accessible as well and already built into Windows 10.

I know you are a Mac guy, but Parallel is not accessible with Voiceover. I tested it for months at BestBuy headquarters and some parts of it required the use of a sighted help, which is not my first choice.

Maybe you want to put OS10 in a VM and carry your PC around. I would suggest that over carrying your Mac with Parallel. Don't waste your time on it.

Of course, you know you can install Windows on a Mac machine. So if the hardware is your concern, you can take advantage of that and still have your Mac with you.


-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Len Burns via WebAIM-Forum
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 5:30 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Enabling NVDA in Google Docs, in Parallels on a Mac

I would second this. As a blind tester, I use VMWare daily. The accessibility of VMWare is quite good. Windows10 is well behaved, in fact, it is rare I start my Windows computer these days in preference for the Mac.

-Len

> On Mar 6, 2018, at 3:13 PM, Lucy Greco < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> hi i have done this and i would say your best bet is to use vmwair or
> vertual box. the UI is kinda bad in vb so if your blind vmwair is the
> better choice i tryed pairalellsfew years ago and it was not good
> at managing the sound so that the speachj did not come out rite at all
>
> Lucia Greco
> Web Accessibility Evangelist
> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of
> California, Berkeley
> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> Follow me on twitter @accessaces
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Levon Spradlin < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I have no idea whether or not this will work either. I'm trying
>> to avoid hauling around more devices than necessary when traveling,
>> trying to get more experience with NVDA. I'm a Mac guy, but do some
>> technical work in Parallels on occasion to avoid firing up my PC.
>>
>> I'm trying to figure out how to get screen reader support enabled
>> within Google Docs, but the hot key combination doesn't seem to work.
>> I'm getting the usual audible feedback from NVDA when navigating
>> through a doc via directional keys.
>>
>> I'm guessing it's because I'm trying to do this within Parallels on a
>> Mac, but I'm hoping that someone else has run into a similar issue
>> and has sorted it out.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Levon
>> >> >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> >>
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>

From: Pratik Patel
Date: Wed, Mar 07 2018 5:43AM
Subject: Re: Enabling NVDA in Google Docs, in Parallels on a Mac
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Hello,

Correct me if I'm wrong. It was my understanding that Hyper-v did not provide access to sound in a VM.

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of JP Jamous
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 2:51 AM
To: 'Len Burns' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >; 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Enabling NVDA in Google Docs, in Parallels on a Mac

Don't forget that Hyper-V is accessible as well and already built into Windows 10.

I know you are a Mac guy, but Parallel is not accessible with Voiceover. I tested it for months at BestBuy headquarters and some parts of it required the use of a sighted help, which is not my first choice.

Maybe you want to put OS10 in a VM and carry your PC around. I would suggest that over carrying your Mac with Parallel. Don't waste your time on it.

Of course, you know you can install Windows on a Mac machine. So if the hardware is your concern, you can take advantage of that and still have your Mac with you.


-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Len Burns via WebAIM-Forum
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 5:30 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Enabling NVDA in Google Docs, in Parallels on a Mac

I would second this. As a blind tester, I use VMWare daily. The accessibility of VMWare is quite good. Windows10 is well behaved, in fact, it is rare I start my Windows computer these days in preference for the Mac.

-Len

> On Mar 6, 2018, at 3:13 PM, Lucy Greco < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> hi i have done this and i would say your best bet is to use vmwair or
> vertual box. the UI is kinda bad in vb so if your blind vmwair is the
> better choice i tryed pairalellsfew years ago and it was not good
> at managing the sound so that the speachj did not come out rite at all
>
> Lucia Greco
> Web Accessibility Evangelist
> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of
> California, Berkeley
> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> Follow me on twitter @accessaces
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Levon Spradlin < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I have no idea whether or not this will work either. I'm trying
>> to avoid hauling around more devices than necessary when traveling,
>> trying to get more experience with NVDA. I'm a Mac guy, but do some
>> technical work in Parallels on occasion to avoid firing up my PC.
>>
>> I'm trying to figure out how to get screen reader support enabled
>> within Google Docs, but the hot key combination doesn't seem to work.
>> I'm getting the usual audible feedback from NVDA when navigating
>> through a doc via directional keys.
>>
>> I'm guessing it's because I'm trying to do this within Parallels on a
>> Mac, but I'm hoping that someone else has run into a similar issue
>> and has sorted it out.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Levon
>> >> >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> >>
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>

From: Joshue O Connor - InterAccess
Date: Wed, Mar 07 2018 6:37AM
Subject: Re: Enabling NVDA in Google Docs, in Parallels on a Mac
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Hi Levon,

While it is a long time since I used a VM on my Mac IIRC there can be
issues getting
reliable screen reader output depending on whether the VM enables native
booting.

I think I ended up abandoning parallels (and Fusion) and using Bootcamp
as I was getting
odd/inconsistent screen reader output in my tests.

IIRC also Jared (of this parish) has written about this somewhere..

HTH

Josh

Levon Spradlin wrote:
> Yeah, I have no idea whether or not this will work either. I'm trying to
> avoid hauling around more devices than necessary when traveling, trying to
> get more experience with NVDA. I'm a Mac guy, but do some technical work in
> Parallels on occasion to avoid firing up my PC.
>
> I'm trying to figure out how to get screen reader support enabled within
> Google Docs, but the hot key combination doesn't seem to work. I'm getting
> the usual audible feedback from NVDA when navigating through a doc via
> directional keys.
>
> I'm guessing it's because I'm trying to do this within Parallels on a Mac,
> but I'm hoping that someone else has run into a similar issue and has
> sorted it out.
>
> cheers,
> Levon
> > > > --
Joshue O Connor
Director | InterAccess.ie

From: JP Jamous
Date: Wed, Mar 07 2018 9:28AM
Subject: Re: Enabling NVDA in Google Docs, in Parallels on a Mac
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I have not used it in a long time, but if you use the Hyper-V connect screen, you may not get sound. Typically, I use Remote Desktop Session to connect to even my VMware machines. That way JAWS gets authorized using my Remote Access License.

I tend to rely on RDP heavily as I can obtain more control over my VM with it. I know it requires some firewall tweaking and understanding how to setup the network adapter, but I have plenty of knowledge to setup an array of VMs on one machine using NAT.

If interested, I can discuss that in more details with you off the list.

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From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Pratik Patel
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 6:44 AM
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >; 'Len Burns' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Enabling NVDA in Google Docs, in Parallels on a Mac

Hello,

Correct me if I'm wrong. It was my understanding that Hyper-v did not provide access to sound in a VM.

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of JP Jamous
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 2:51 AM
To: 'Len Burns' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >; 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Enabling NVDA in Google Docs, in Parallels on a Mac

Don't forget that Hyper-V is accessible as well and already built into Windows 10.

I know you are a Mac guy, but Parallel is not accessible with Voiceover. I tested it for months at BestBuy headquarters and some parts of it required the use of a sighted help, which is not my first choice.

Maybe you want to put OS10 in a VM and carry your PC around. I would suggest that over carrying your Mac with Parallel. Don't waste your time on it.

Of course, you know you can install Windows on a Mac machine. So if the hardware is your concern, you can take advantage of that and still have your Mac with you.


-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Len Burns via WebAIM-Forum
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 5:30 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Enabling NVDA in Google Docs, in Parallels on a Mac

I would second this. As a blind tester, I use VMWare daily. The accessibility of VMWare is quite good. Windows10 is well behaved, in fact, it is rare I start my Windows computer these days in preference for the Mac.

-Len

> On Mar 6, 2018, at 3:13 PM, Lucy Greco < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> hi i have done this and i would say your best bet is to use vmwair or
> vertual box. the UI is kinda bad in vb so if your blind vmwair is the
> better choice i tryed pairalellsfew years ago and it was not good at
> managing the sound so that the speachj did not come out rite at all
>
> Lucia Greco
> Web Accessibility Evangelist
> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of
> California, Berkeley
> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> Follow me on twitter @accessaces
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Levon Spradlin < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I have no idea whether or not this will work either. I'm trying
>> to avoid hauling around more devices than necessary when traveling,
>> trying to get more experience with NVDA. I'm a Mac guy, but do some
>> technical work in Parallels on occasion to avoid firing up my PC.
>>
>> I'm trying to figure out how to get screen reader support enabled
>> within Google Docs, but the hot key combination doesn't seem to work.
>> I'm getting the usual audible feedback from NVDA when navigating
>> through a doc via directional keys.
>>
>> I'm guessing it's because I'm trying to do this within Parallels on a
>> Mac, but I'm hoping that someone else has run into a similar issue
>> and has sorted it out.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Levon
>> >> >> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>> >>
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>