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From: JP Jamous
Date: Tue, Jun 26 2018 8:46PM
Subject: Accessible Captcha
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Hi folks,
We all know Captcha types are a royal pain. Can you suggest to me some
samples of ones that are keyboard, and screen reader accessible?
I have a client that is using Google Recapcha and it is terrible as you all
know. So we are looking for an alternative.
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From: Brandon Keith Biggs
Date: Tue, Jun 26 2018 9:51PM
Subject: Re: Accessible Captcha
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If you have 2 oranges, three bananas and 1 more orange, how many oranges do
you have?
3
What color are Dorthy's ruby red slippers?
ruby red
How many noses did George Washington have on his face?
1
I think you can just use questions like this.
Thanks,
Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 7:46 PM, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
>
>
> We all know Captcha types are a royal pain. Can you suggest to me some
> samples of ones that are keyboard, and screen reader accessible?
>
>
>
> I have a client that is using Google Recapcha and it is terrible as you all
> know. So we are looking for an alternative.
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> JP Jamous
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From: JP Jamous
Date: Tue, Jun 26 2018 10:07PM
Subject: Re: Accessible Captcha
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That's true, but I am looking at a component that can already do those for
the developers I am working with. They do not want to recreate the wheels.
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From: L Snider
Date: Wed, Jun 27 2018 4:24PM
Subject: Re: Accessible Captcha
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Hi JP,
Many are also a pain with voice recognition software too...
I remember someone created an accessible captcha a couple of years ago. I
couldn't find my source. I don't think it went anywhere as I think the
person who developed it was doing it as a project, and not necessarily for
use. I could be wrong, and someone will correct me if that is the case.
Do update the list, because I would love to see an alternative that uses
different coding.
Cheers
Lisa
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:46 PM, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
>
>
> We all know Captcha types are a royal pain. Can you suggest to me some
> samples of ones that are keyboard, and screen reader accessible?
>
>
>
> I have a client that is using Google Recapcha and it is terrible as you all
> know. So we are looking for an alternative.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------
>
> JP Jamous
>
> Senior Digital Accessibility Engineer
>
> <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > E-Mail Me | <http://linkedin.com/in/JPJamous>;
> Join
> My LinkedIn Network
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From: Brandon Keith Biggs
Date: Wed, Jun 27 2018 5:50PM
Subject: Re: Accessible Captcha
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Hello,
The best I have seen is the checkbox that says "I'm not a robot".
Does anyone know what does this? I thought it was google.
Thanks,
Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 3:24 PM, L Snider < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi JP,
>
> Many are also a pain with voice recognition software too...
>
> I remember someone created an accessible captcha a couple of years ago. I
> couldn't find my source. I don't think it went anywhere as I think the
> person who developed it was doing it as a project, and not necessarily for
> use. I could be wrong, and someone will correct me if that is the case.
>
> Do update the list, because I would love to see an alternative that uses
> different coding.
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:46 PM, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> >
> >
> > We all know Captcha types are a royal pain. Can you suggest to me some
> > samples of ones that are keyboard, and screen reader accessible?
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a client that is using Google Recapcha and it is terrible as you
> all
> > know. So we are looking for an alternative.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > JP Jamous
> >
> > Senior Digital Accessibility Engineer
> >
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> > Join
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From: L Snider
Date: Wed, Jun 27 2018 6:28PM
Subject: Re: Accessible Captcha
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Yes, that is Recaptcha
https://www.google.com/recaptcha/intro/v3beta.html
Still some issues for some people, but better than it used to be...still
not 100% by any means. Some are just the robot box and others add on the
'which images have cheeseburgers in them' to the robot box, the latter
being totally annoying, in my view. I rarely complete those...
Cheers
Lisa
On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 6:50 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs <
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hello,
> The best I have seen is the checkbox that says "I'm not a robot".
> Does anyone know what does this? I thought it was google.
> Thanks,
>
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 3:24 PM, L Snider < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > Hi JP,
> >
> > Many are also a pain with voice recognition software too...
> >
> > I remember someone created an accessible captcha a couple of years ago. I
> > couldn't find my source. I don't think it went anywhere as I think the
> > person who developed it was doing it as a project, and not necessarily
> for
> > use. I could be wrong, and someone will correct me if that is the case.
> >
> > Do update the list, because I would love to see an alternative that uses
> > different coding.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Lisa
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:46 PM, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We all know Captcha types are a royal pain. Can you suggest to me some
> > > samples of ones that are keyboard, and screen reader accessible?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a client that is using Google Recapcha and it is terrible as you
> > all
> > > know. So we are looking for an alternative.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > JP Jamous
> > >
> > > Senior Digital Accessibility Engineer
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From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Wed, Jun 27 2018 7:30PM
Subject: Re: Accessible Captcha
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My experience with google Recaptcha is not that bad. It can be
implemented so that it does not communicate with the user at all
unless it detects suspicious activity. It starts poppig up
consistently when you've logged on to a form 10 or 20 times from a
similar IP address, as you would for testing, but it seems to behave
decent otherwise.
Once it prompts you you have to do one of these stupid blurry audio
things that are near impossible to hear (and do not work in IE11
unless you download the audio).
A two factor authentication would be beter (user enters phone number
or email address, you send a unique code to that contact info and user
has to click a link and enter that code to authenticate).
You can also add a "review" page after user submits the original form,
one where the user has to check a checkbox and click an additional
""confirm" button. It's not bullet proof but it makes the process that
much more complex to break, so people looking for a quick buck, or
fun, are probably going to give up and go away.
This also allows real users to verify their response
Make sure only to use CAPtCHA on one-off processes (such as
registering). For routine processes (like logging in) you have to find
a less disruptive solution.
Cheers
-B
On 6/27/18, L Snider < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Yes, that is Recaptcha
> https://www.google.com/recaptcha/intro/v3beta.html
>
> Still some issues for some people, but better than it used to be...still
> not 100% by any means. Some are just the robot box and others add on the
> 'which images have cheeseburgers in them' to the robot box, the latter
> being totally annoying, in my view. I rarely complete those...
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 6:50 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs <
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> The best I have seen is the checkbox that says "I'm not a robot".
>> Does anyone know what does this? I thought it was google.
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 3:24 PM, L Snider < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>
>> > Hi JP,
>> >
>> > Many are also a pain with voice recognition software too...
>> >
>> > I remember someone created an accessible captcha a couple of years ago.
>> > I
>> > couldn't find my source. I don't think it went anywhere as I think the
>> > person who developed it was doing it as a project, and not necessarily
>> for
>> > use. I could be wrong, and someone will correct me if that is the case.
>> >
>> > Do update the list, because I would love to see an alternative that
>> > uses
>> > different coding.
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Lisa
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:46 PM, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi folks,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > We all know Captcha types are a royal pain. Can you suggest to me
>> > > some
>> > > samples of ones that are keyboard, and screen reader accessible?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I have a client that is using Google Recapcha and it is terrible as
>> > > you
>> > all
>> > > know. So we are looking for an alternative.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --------------------
>> > >
>> > > JP Jamous
>> > >
>> > > Senior Digital Accessibility Engineer
>> > >
>> > > <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > E-Mail Me |
>> > > <http://linkedin.com/in/JPJamous>;
>> > > Join
>> > > My LinkedIn Network
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From: JP Jamous
Date: Thu, Jun 28 2018 6:26AM
Subject: Re: Accessible Captcha
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It is the Google reCaptcha, but it has inaccessibility in it especially when
it comes to keyboard support.
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From: Brandon Keith Biggs
Date: Thu, Jun 28 2018 6:57AM
Subject: Re: Accessible Captcha
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Hello,
If you arrow down and press space to check the box, then it's keyboard
accessible. When is it not keyboard accessible? Perhaps I have never seen
the nonkeyboard accessible instances, but I see this checkbox everywhere
and really like it.
Thanks,
Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 5:26 AM, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> It is the Google reCaptcha, but it has inaccessibility in it especially
> when
> it comes to keyboard support.
>
>
>
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> Senior Digital Accessibility Engineer
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From: L Snider
Date: Thu, Jun 28 2018 11:03AM
Subject: Re: Accessible Captcha
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Oh and the issues I mentioned for Recaptcha came from two Braille device
users I know. So maybe the devices interacted differently than the speech,
not sure why those issues happened.
Also I find on iphone most people have the 'is there a cheeseburger in
these blurry pictures that even someone without a cognitive or visual
disability can't do' with the robot check. If I don't absolutely have to
use that company or service, I go somewhere else. I am not alone...I just
saw some stats where 30% of people go away.
Don't get me wrong, they have made huge progress with Recaptcha, but there
is always room for improvement.
Cheers
Lisa
On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 7:57 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs <
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hello,
> If you arrow down and press space to check the box, then it's keyboard
> accessible. When is it not keyboard accessible? Perhaps I have never seen
> the nonkeyboard accessible instances, but I see this checkbox everywhere
> and really like it.
> Thanks,
>
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 5:26 AM, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > It is the Google reCaptcha, but it has inaccessibility in it especially
> > when
> > it comes to keyboard support.
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------
> > JP Jamous
> > Senior Digital Accessibility Engineer
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From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Thu, Jun 28 2018 11:09AM
Subject: Re: Accessible Captcha
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I'm never a fan of CAPTCHA. I've managed toadvocate for other forms of
spam protection at work, but we still have to have CAPTCHA on certain
forms and Google Recaptcha has been the best (or rather least worst)
option for us.
What are the keyboard issues you refer to JP?
This is not a problem with a screen reader, and I think I tested
keyboard only, I always do for standard testing, but now I am
concerned I might have missed something.
On 6/28/18, L Snider < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Oh and the issues I mentioned for Recaptcha came from two Braille device
> users I know. So maybe the devices interacted differently than the speech,
> not sure why those issues happened.
>
> Also I find on iphone most people have the 'is there a cheeseburger in
> these blurry pictures that even someone without a cognitive or visual
> disability can't do' with the robot check. If I don't absolutely have to
> use that company or service, I go somewhere else. I am not alone...I just
> saw some stats where 30% of people go away.
>
> Don't get me wrong, they have made huge progress with Recaptcha, but there
> is always room for improvement.
>
> Cheers
>
> Lisa
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 7:57 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs <
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> If you arrow down and press space to check the box, then it's keyboard
>> accessible. When is it not keyboard accessible? Perhaps I have never seen
>> the nonkeyboard accessible instances, but I see this checkbox everywhere
>> and really like it.
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 5:26 AM, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>
>> > It is the Google reCaptcha, but it has inaccessibility in it especially
>> > when
>> > it comes to keyboard support.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --------------------
>> > JP Jamous
>> > Senior Digital Accessibility Engineer
>> > E-Mail Me |Join My LinkedIn Network
>> > --------------------
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