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From: Howard Kramer
Date: Thu, Jan 10 2019 2:37PM
Subject: Accessible platform for distributing audio files
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I'm looking for an accessible platform to post audio recordings from the
Accessing Higher Ground conference. I could put it up on Adobe Connect but
that's not an optimal platform for accessibility and is a little bit of
overkill for MP3 files. My tests on Google Drive and Dropbox seem to
indicate Drive is more accessible, especially for playing media.
Any suggestions on this would be greatly appreciated.
--
Regards,
Howard
Howard Kramer
Conference Coordinator
Accessing Higher Ground
303-492-8672
cell: 720-351-8668
Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference
<http://accessinghigherground.org/>;* in Denver, Colorado, Nov 12-16, 2018.
Request for proposals will be announced mid-March.
Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up
of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU!
<http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/webinars>;* And the *Technology
Access Series <http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/at_webinars_15_16>;*.
Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your
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From: Lucy Greco
Date: Thu, Jan 10 2019 2:41PM
Subject: Re: Accessible platform for distributing audio files
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I think if you put all the files and drive you might be able to create a
very simple Google sites page that would list them all that might be the
best choice
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 1:37 PM Howard Kramer < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = wrote:
> I'm looking for an accessible platform to post audio recordings from the
> Accessing Higher Ground conference. I could put it up on Adobe Connect but
> that's not an optimal platform for accessibility and is a little bit of
> overkill for MP3 files. My tests on Google Drive and Dropbox seem to
> indicate Drive is more accessible, especially for playing media.
> Any suggestions on this would be greatly appreciated.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Howard
>
> Howard Kramer
> Conference Coordinator
> Accessing Higher Ground
> 303-492-8672
> cell: 720-351-8668
>
> Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference
> <http://accessinghigherground.org/>;* in Denver, Colorado, Nov 12-16,
> 2018.
> Request for proposals will be announced mid-March.
>
>
>
> Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up
> of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU!
> <http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/webinars>;* And the *Technology
> Access Series <http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/at_webinars_15_16
> >*.
> Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your
> earliest convenience for the largest selection.
>
>
>
> Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now.
> <http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member>;*
> > > > >
From: Howard Kramer
Date: Thu, Jan 10 2019 2:44PM
Subject: Re: Accessible platform for distributing audio files
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Thanks Lucy. Have you found Google Drive accessible? Have you ever tried to
play an audio recording off the platform?
-Howard
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 2:41 PM Lucy Greco < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> I think if you put all the files and drive you might be able to create a
> very simple Google sites page that would list them all that might be the
> best choice
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 1:37 PM Howard Kramer < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for an accessible platform to post audio recordings from the
> > Accessing Higher Ground conference. I could put it up on Adobe Connect
> but
> > that's not an optimal platform for accessibility and is a little bit of
> > overkill for MP3 files. My tests on Google Drive and Dropbox seem to
> > indicate Drive is more accessible, especially for playing media.
> > Any suggestions on this would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Howard
> >
> > Howard Kramer
> > Conference Coordinator
> > Accessing Higher Ground
> > 303-492-8672
> > cell: 720-351-8668
> >
> > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference
> > <http://accessinghigherground.org/>;* in Denver, Colorado, Nov 12-16,
> > 2018.
> > Request for proposals will be announced mid-March.
> >
> >
> >
> > Complete program information and registration is open for our full
> line-up
> > of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU!
> > <http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/webinars>;* And the *Technology
> > Access Series <http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/at_webinars_15_16
> > >*.
> > Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at
> your
> > earliest convenience for the largest selection.
> >
> >
> >
> > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now.
> > <http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member>;*
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
--
Regards,
Howard
Howard Kramer
Conference Coordinator
Accessing Higher Ground
303-492-8672
cell: 720-351-8668
Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference
<http://accessinghigherground.org/>;* in Denver, Colorado, Nov 12-16, 2018.
Request for proposals will be announced mid-March.
Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up
of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU!
<http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/webinars>;* And the *Technology
Access Series <http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/at_webinars_15_16>;*.
Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your
earliest convenience for the largest selection.
Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now.
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From: glen walker
Date: Thu, Jan 10 2019 5:10PM
Subject: Re: Accessible platform for distributing audio files
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With NVDA on Firefox, google drive is passable. You have to know when you
hear "table", that the table is interactive and you can use the arrow keys
to move up/down through the table.
Also, the entire row's data is read rather than letting me navigate through
each cell (filename, owner, date modified, etc). If I know the name of the
file I'm looking for, then at least the name is first so I can ignore the
rest of the information.
I'm able to play a video via google drive and it works fine. I can get to
play/pause, volume, seek, fullscreen, captions. I suspect playing an audio
should be similar.
Plus, if all the files are posted on google drive (or some file sharing
website), I have the option to download it and play the file on whatever
player I want.
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 2:45 PM Howard Kramer < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Thanks Lucy. Have you found Google Drive accessible? Have you ever tried to
> play an audio recording off the platform?
>
> -Howard
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 2:41 PM Lucy Greco < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > I think if you put all the files and drive you might be able to create a
> > very simple Google sites page that would list them all that might be the
> > best choice
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 1:37 PM Howard Kramer < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = wrote:
> >
> > > I'm looking for an accessible platform to post audio recordings from
> the
> > > Accessing Higher Ground conference. I could put it up on Adobe Connect
> > but
> > > that's not an optimal platform for accessibility and is a little bit of
> > > overkill for MP3 files. My tests on Google Drive and Dropbox seem to
> > > indicate Drive is more accessible, especially for playing media.
> > > Any suggestions on this would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Howard
> > >
> > > Howard Kramer
> > > Conference Coordinator
> > > Accessing Higher Ground
> > > 303-492-8672
> > > cell: 720-351-8668
> > >
> > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference
> > > <http://accessinghigherground.org/>;* in Denver, Colorado, Nov 12-16,
> > > 2018.
> > > Request for proposals will be announced mid-March.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full
> > line-up
> > > of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU!
> > > <http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/webinars>;* And the
> *Technology
> > > Access Series <
> http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/at_webinars_15_16
> > > >*.
> > > Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at
> > your
> > > earliest convenience for the largest selection.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now.
> > > <http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member>;*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Howard
>
> Howard Kramer
> Conference Coordinator
> Accessing Higher Ground
> 303-492-8672
> cell: 720-351-8668
>
> Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference
> <http://accessinghigherground.org/>;* in Denver, Colorado, Nov 12-16,
> 2018.
> Request for proposals will be announced mid-March.
>
>
>
> Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up
> of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU!
> <http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/webinars>;* And the *Technology
> Access Series <http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/at_webinars_15_16
> >*.
> Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your
> earliest convenience for the largest selection.
>
>
>
> Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now.
> <http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member>;*
> > > > >
From: David Engebretson Jr
Date: Thu, Jan 10 2019 5:18PM
Subject: Re: Accessible platform for distributing audio files
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I've found the player in the Google Drive to be accessible on Chrome and
Firefox using JAWS.
The problem I run into is using the Backup and Sync app that Google Drive
uses. I'm really struggling with it's UI. Sometimes it doesn't come into
focus, and when it does, it doesn't seem to be announcing all of the menu
items.
Would appreciate any thoughts and/or empathy,
David
From: Brandon Keith Biggs
Date: Thu, Jan 10 2019 8:11PM
Subject: Re: Accessible platform for distributing audio files
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Google sites is very accessible.
I don't know if there is an easy way of listing the files other than
putting them in a folder on a sites page, but even the sites page is pretty
good.
Thanks,
Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:18 PM David Engebretson Jr <
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> I've found the player in the Google Drive to be accessible on Chrome and
> Firefox using JAWS.
>
> The problem I run into is using the Backup and Sync app that Google Drive
> uses. I'm really struggling with it's UI. Sometimes it doesn't come into
> focus, and when it does, it doesn't seem to be announcing all of the menu
> items.
>
> Would appreciate any thoughts and/or empathy,
> David
>
>
From: Howard Kramer
Date: Fri, Jan 11 2019 10:50AM
Subject: Re: Accessible platform for distributing audio files
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Thanks Brandon, et al, for your helpful feedback.
In terms of launching the videos, I plan to have a non-google-drive launch
page. That is, the audio file on the google drive will be linked to our
conference schedule page which is accessible, avoiding the need to scroll
down the google drive directory to find files.
Thanks again!
-Howard
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:11 PM Brandon Keith Biggs <
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Google sites is very accessible.
> I don't know if there is an easy way of listing the files other than
> putting them in a folder on a sites page, but even the sites page is pretty
> good.
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:18 PM David Engebretson Jr <
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > I've found the player in the Google Drive to be accessible on Chrome and
> > Firefox using JAWS.
> >
> > The problem I run into is using the Backup and Sync app that Google Drive
> > uses. I'm really struggling with it's UI. Sometimes it doesn't come
> into
> > focus, and when it does, it doesn't seem to be announcing all of the menu
> > items.
> >
> > Would appreciate any thoughts and/or empathy,
> > David
> >
> >
From: Brandon Keith Biggs
Date: Fri, Jan 11 2019 10:54AM
Subject: Re: Accessible platform for distributing audio files
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Hello,
You can also upload the audio files to Youtube and just make a list of
links with the embedded frame at the bottom of the page. Jump focus to a
heading above the frame when the user clicks the link, or have a global
pattern of k for pause and have the videos play when the user clicks on
them. That would allow one to quickly go through the audio files without
needing to click on the link, hit play, find their place again and repeat.
Thanks,
Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 9:51 AM Howard Kramer < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Thanks Brandon, et al, for your helpful feedback.
>
> In terms of launching the videos, I plan to have a non-google-drive launch
> page. That is, the audio file on the google drive will be linked to our
> conference schedule page which is accessible, avoiding the need to scroll
> down the google drive directory to find files.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -Howard
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:11 PM Brandon Keith Biggs <
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > Google sites is very accessible.
> > I don't know if there is an easy way of listing the files other than
> > putting them in a folder on a sites page, but even the sites page is
> pretty
> > good.
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:18 PM David Engebretson Jr <
> > = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > > I've found the player in the Google Drive to be accessible on Chrome
> and
> > > Firefox using JAWS.
> > >
> > > The problem I run into is using the Backup and Sync app that Google
> Drive
> > > uses. I'm really struggling with it's UI. Sometimes it doesn't come
> > into
> > > focus, and when it does, it doesn't seem to be announcing all of the
> menu
> > > items.
> > >
> > > Would appreciate any thoughts and/or empathy,
> > > David
> > >
> > >
From: Howard Kramer
Date: Fri, Jan 11 2019 11:40AM
Subject: Re: Accessible platform for distributing audio files
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Lucy,
You said in a separate email that you were able to move through the
timeline in the google player. Using NVDA and Chrome I did not find the
keystroke to do this. When I landed on the timeline and pressed the right
or left arrow it took me to the next file. Can you tell me how you moved
through the timeline?
(In response to Brandon's suggestion about YouTube - I think restricting
access on YouTube is more difficult than for drive, as far as I know.)
Thanks,
Howard
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:54 AM Brandon Keith Biggs <
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hello,
> You can also upload the audio files to Youtube and just make a list of
> links with the embedded frame at the bottom of the page. Jump focus to a
> heading above the frame when the user clicks the link, or have a global
> pattern of k for pause and have the videos play when the user clicks on
> them. That would allow one to quickly go through the audio files without
> needing to click on the link, hit play, find their place again and repeat.
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 9:51 AM Howard Kramer < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > Thanks Brandon, et al, for your helpful feedback.
> >
> > In terms of launching the videos, I plan to have a non-google-drive
> launch
> > page. That is, the audio file on the google drive will be linked to our
> > conference schedule page which is accessible, avoiding the need to scroll
> > down the google drive directory to find files.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > -Howard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:11 PM Brandon Keith Biggs <
> > = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > > Google sites is very accessible.
> > > I don't know if there is an easy way of listing the files other than
> > > putting them in a folder on a sites page, but even the sites page is
> > pretty
> > > good.
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:18 PM David Engebretson Jr <
> > > = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've found the player in the Google Drive to be accessible on Chrome
> > and
> > > > Firefox using JAWS.
> > > >
> > > > The problem I run into is using the Backup and Sync app that Google
> > Drive
> > > > uses. I'm really struggling with it's UI. Sometimes it doesn't come
> > > into
> > > > focus, and when it does, it doesn't seem to be announcing all of the
> > menu
> > > > items.
> > > >
> > > > Would appreciate any thoughts and/or empathy,
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > >
From: glen walker
Date: Fri, Jan 11 2019 11:58AM
Subject: Re: Accessible platform for distributing audio files
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>
> The problem I run into is using the Backup and Sync app that Google Drive
> uses. I'm really struggling with it's UI. Sometimes it doesn't come into
> focus, and when it does, it doesn't seem to be announcing all of the menu
> items.
>
The backup and sync app is in my notification area so I hit Windows+B to
move the focus there, then arrow to the backup app and select the button to
open it. I tried a few times and the focus always goes in the app. I can
tab or arrow through the items but there is no visible focus indicator.
From: Lucy Greco
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2019 1:27PM
Subject: Re: Accessible platform for distributing audio files
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hello:
sure make sure your in focus mode and then use the aro keys if your in
brows mode i think what you saw does happen
Lucia Greco
Web Accessibility Evangelist
IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
Follow me on twitter @accessaces
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:41 AM Howard Kramer < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Lucy,
>
> You said in a separate email that you were able to move through the
> timeline in the google player. Using NVDA and Chrome I did not find the
> keystroke to do this. When I landed on the timeline and pressed the right
> or left arrow it took me to the next file. Can you tell me how you moved
> through the timeline?
>
> (In response to Brandon's suggestion about YouTube - I think restricting
> access on YouTube is more difficult than for drive, as far as I know.)
>
> Thanks,
> Howard
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:54 AM Brandon Keith Biggs <
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > You can also upload the audio files to Youtube and just make a list of
> > links with the embedded frame at the bottom of the page. Jump focus to a
> > heading above the frame when the user clicks the link, or have a global
> > pattern of k for pause and have the videos play when the user clicks on
> > them. That would allow one to quickly go through the audio files without
> > needing to click on the link, hit play, find their place again and
> repeat.
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 9:51 AM Howard Kramer < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Brandon, et al, for your helpful feedback.
> > >
> > > In terms of launching the videos, I plan to have a non-google-drive
> > launch
> > > page. That is, the audio file on the google drive will be linked to our
> > > conference schedule page which is accessible, avoiding the need to
> scroll
> > > down the google drive directory to find files.
> > >
> > > Thanks again!
> > >
> > > -Howard
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:11 PM Brandon Keith Biggs <
> > > = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Google sites is very accessible.
> > > > I don't know if there is an easy way of listing the files other than
> > > > putting them in a folder on a sites page, but even the sites page is
> > > pretty
> > > > good.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:18 PM David Engebretson Jr <
> > > > = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I've found the player in the Google Drive to be accessible on
> Chrome
> > > and
> > > > > Firefox using JAWS.
> > > > >
> > > > > The problem I run into is using the Backup and Sync app that Google
> > > Drive
> > > > > uses. I'm really struggling with it's UI. Sometimes it doesn't
> come
> > > > into
> > > > > focus, and when it does, it doesn't seem to be announcing all of
> the
> > > menu
> > > > > items.
> > > > >
> > > > > Would appreciate any thoughts and/or empathy,
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > > >
From: Howard Kramer
Date: Mon, Jan 14 2019 1:35PM
Subject: Re: Accessible platform for distributing audio files
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Thanks!
-Howard
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 1:28 PM Lucy Greco < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> hello:
> sure make sure your in focus mode and then use the aro keys if your in
> brows mode i think what you saw does happen
> Lucia Greco
> Web Accessibility Evangelist
> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> University of California, Berkeley
> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> Follow me on twitter @accessaces
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:41 AM Howard Kramer < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > Lucy,
> >
> > You said in a separate email that you were able to move through the
> > timeline in the google player. Using NVDA and Chrome I did not find the
> > keystroke to do this. When I landed on the timeline and pressed the right
> > or left arrow it took me to the next file. Can you tell me how you moved
> > through the timeline?
> >
> > (In response to Brandon's suggestion about YouTube - I think restricting
> > access on YouTube is more difficult than for drive, as far as I know.)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Howard
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:54 AM Brandon Keith Biggs <
> > = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > > You can also upload the audio files to Youtube and just make a list of
> > > links with the embedded frame at the bottom of the page. Jump focus to
> a
> > > heading above the frame when the user clicks the link, or have a global
> > > pattern of k for pause and have the videos play when the user clicks on
> > > them. That would allow one to quickly go through the audio files
> without
> > > needing to click on the link, hit play, find their place again and
> > repeat.
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 9:51 AM Howard Kramer < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Brandon, et al, for your helpful feedback.
> > > >
> > > > In terms of launching the videos, I plan to have a non-google-drive
> > > launch
> > > > page. That is, the audio file on the google drive will be linked to
> our
> > > > conference schedule page which is accessible, avoiding the need to
> > scroll
> > > > down the google drive directory to find files.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again!
> > > >
> > > > -Howard
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:11 PM Brandon Keith Biggs <
> > > > = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Google sites is very accessible.
> > > > > I don't know if there is an easy way of listing the files other
> than
> > > > > putting them in a folder on a sites page, but even the sites page
> is
> > > > pretty
> > > > > good.
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:18 PM David Engebretson Jr <
> > > > > = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I've found the player in the Google Drive to be accessible on
> > Chrome
> > > > and
> > > > > > Firefox using JAWS.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The problem I run into is using the Backup and Sync app that
> Google
> > > > Drive
> > > > > > uses. I'm really struggling with it's UI. Sometimes it doesn't
> > come
> > > > > into
> > > > > > focus, and when it does, it doesn't seem to be announcing all of
> > the
> > > > menu
> > > > > > items.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Would appreciate any thoughts and/or empathy,
> > > > > > David
> > > > > >
> > > > > >