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From: Murphy, Sean
Date: Thu, May 21 2020 11:20PM
Subject: Interesting article of 10 million pages results for a11y
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All,

Be interested in peoples point of view:

https://accessibe.com/blog/knowledgebase/we-analyzed-10000000-pages-and-her=
es-where-most-fail-with-ada-and-wcag-21-compliance

Sean

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From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Fri, May 22 2020 3:08AM
Subject: Re: Interesting article of 10 million pages results for a11y
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On 22/05/2020 06:20, Murphy, Sean wrote:
> All,
>
> Be interested in peoples point of view:
>
> https://accessibe.com/blog/knowledgebase/we-analyzed-10000000-pages-and-heres-where-most-fail-with-ada-and-wcag-21-compliance

Skimmed over the start of this, saw these points about "What is required
by WCAG"

1. “NAV” tag or a “role” attribute equal to “navigation/menu/menubar”
(depends on the menu type) must be present on the top element that
contains all the links and menu items (role=”navigation/menu/menubar”).
2. “role” attribute equal to “menuitem” must be present on the links
that comprise the menu items.
...
4. Users can navigate across the menu bar itself using the
left-and-right keyboard arrows. When reaching the end of the menu, and
pressing the forward arrow key, the navigation should loop back to the
first item.
5. Users can open dropdowns using the Enter and the arrow-down keys.
Dropdowns should also be opened by focusing on the menu item.
6. Users can navigate within dropdowns using the up-and-down arrows, and
the focus must never escape and loop within the dropdown unless it was
intentionally closed.
7. Users can close the dropdown using the Esc key [...]

...and I already disagree that these are actual hard requirements.
There's a lot more nuance here than just saying without these, it's a
WCAG fail.

So I'd take the results with a pinch of salt, right from the get-go.

P
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From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Fri, May 22 2020 3:16AM
Subject: Re: Interesting article of 10 million pages results for a11y
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FWIW left a comment on that post to that effect...let's see if they
respond/if it stays up.

P
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From: Steve Green
Date: Fri, May 22 2020 4:21AM
Subject: Re: Interesting article of 10 million pages results for a11y
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I was about to write pretty much the same. There is also the issue that the report is totally biased towards the sort of issues that their tool can detect. My experience of automated testing tools is that what they report often bears no relation to the user experience because of all the issues they can't detect. Indeed, we are now seeing websites that are coded so badly that automated tools can't find anything wrong with them even though they are completely inaccessible.

Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd


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On 22/05/2020 06:20, Murphy, Sean wrote:
> All,
>
> Be interested in peoples point of view:
>
> https://accessibe.com/blog/knowledgebase/we-analyzed-10000000-pages-an
> d-heres-where-most-fail-with-ada-and-wcag-21-compliance

Skimmed over the start of this, saw these points about "What is required by WCAG"

1. “NAV” tag or a “role” attribute equal to “navigation/menu/menubar”
(depends on the menu type) must be present on the top element that contains all the links and menu items (role=”navigation/menu/menubar”).
2. “role” attribute equal to “menuitem” must be present on the links that comprise the menu items.
...
4. Users can navigate across the menu bar itself using the left-and-right keyboard arrows. When reaching the end of the menu, and pressing the forward arrow key, the navigation should loop back to the first item.
5. Users can open dropdowns using the Enter and the arrow-down keys.
Dropdowns should also be opened by focusing on the menu item.
6. Users can navigate within dropdowns using the up-and-down arrows, and the focus must never escape and loop within the dropdown unless it was intentionally closed.
7. Users can close the dropdown using the Esc key [...]

...and I already disagree that these are actual hard requirements.
There's a lot more nuance here than just saying without these, it's a WCAG fail.

So I'd take the results with a pinch of salt, right from the get-go.

P
--
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From: Murphy, Sean
Date: Fri, May 22 2020 4:31AM
Subject: Re: Interesting article of 10 million pages results for a11y
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a friend pointed me to Steve Faulkner blog about this called Bolt-on Accessibility – 5 gears in reverse


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I was about to write pretty much the same. There is also the issue that the report is totally biased towards the sort of issues that their tool can detect. My experience of automated testing tools is that what they report often bears no relation to the user experience because of all the issues they can't detect. Indeed, we are now seeing websites that are coded so badly that automated tools can't find anything wrong with them even though they are completely inaccessible.

Steve Green
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Test Partners Ltd


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On 22/05/2020 06:20, Murphy, Sean wrote:
> All,
>
> Be interested in peoples point of view:
>
> https://accessibe.com/blog/knowledgebase/we-analyzed-10000000-pages-an
> d-heres-where-most-fail-with-ada-and-wcag-21-compliance

Skimmed over the start of this, saw these points about "What is required by WCAG"

1. “NAV” tag or a “role” attribute equal to “navigation/menu/menubar”
(depends on the menu type) must be present on the top element that contains all the links and menu items (role=”navigation/menu/menubar”).
2. “role” attribute equal to “menuitem” must be present on the links that comprise the menu items.
...
4. Users can navigate across the menu bar itself using the left-and-right keyboard arrows. When reaching the end of the menu, and pressing the forward arrow key, the navigation should loop back to the first item.
5. Users can open dropdowns using the Enter and the arrow-down keys.
Dropdowns should also be opened by focusing on the menu item.
6. Users can navigate within dropdowns using the up-and-down arrows, and the focus must never escape and loop within the dropdown unless it was intentionally closed.
7. Users can close the dropdown using the Esc key [...]

...and I already disagree that these are actual hard requirements.
There's a lot more nuance here than just saying without these, it's a WCAG fail.

So I'd take the results with a pinch of salt, right from the get-go.

P
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From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Fri, May 22 2020 4:37AM
Subject: Re: Interesting article of 10 million pages results for a11y
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On 22/05/2020 11:31, Murphy, Sean wrote:
> a friend pointed me to Steve Faulkner blog about this called Bolt-on Accessibility – 5 gears in reverse

Link, for those interested...

https://developer.paciellogroup.com/blog/2020/05/bolt-on-accessibility-5-gears-in-reverse/

P
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From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Fri, May 22 2020 4:40AM
Subject: Re: Interesting article of 10 million pages results for a11y
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On 22/05/2020 11:37, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
> On 22/05/2020 11:31, Murphy, Sean wrote:
>> a friend pointed me to  Steve Faulkner blog about this called Bolt-on
>> Accessibility – 5 gears in reverse
>
> Link, for those interested...
>
> https://developer.paciellogroup.com/blog/2020/05/bolt-on-accessibility-5-gears-in-reverse/
>
>
> P

Though noting that this is a slightly different topic (the failings of
those accessibility overlays / toolbars) than the one touched on here
(the failings of automated tools not being enough to make an actual
determination about what is and isn't accessible, and their often very
opinionated/flawed test criteria that are, at best, a weird
interpretation of the actual far more nuanced WCAG requirements...for
instance, NOT following an ARIA pattern in terms of its roles and
keyboard interactions is NOT necessarily a WCAG failure in all situations).

P
--
Patrick H. Lauke

https://www.splintered.co.uk/ | https://github.com/patrickhlauke
https://flickr.com/photos/redux/ | https://www.deviantart.com/redux
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From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Fri, May 22 2020 11:16AM
Subject: Re: Interesting article of 10 million pages results for a11y
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The first line pretty much says that "unlike tools like axe we only
test what's visible". Axe does not test things that are hidden.
Also a tool that only tests visible content is not necessarily better,
it depends on context.
Their menu requirements are utterly misguided. These are the guys who
promise automated fix to pretty much all accessibility issues if you
use their plugin service yet have over 20 axe detectable errors on
their homepage.
I don't mean to put down any one vendor, we're all aiming for the same
goal, and hopefully they are going to learn and improve, but seeing
the outrageous claims that are so obviously out of synch not only with
WCAG requirements but also user expectations takes the wind out of all
their claims, possibly even actually insightful facts.




On 5/22/20, Patrick H. Lauke < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> On 22/05/2020 11:37, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
>> On 22/05/2020 11:31, Murphy, Sean wrote:
>>> a friend pointed me to  Steve Faulkner blog about this called Bolt-on
>>> Accessibility – 5 gears in reverse
>>
>> Link, for those interested...
>>
>> https://developer.paciellogroup.com/blog/2020/05/bolt-on-accessibility-5-gears-in-reverse/
>>
>>
>>
>> P
>
> Though noting that this is a slightly different topic (the failings of
> those accessibility overlays / toolbars) than the one touched on here
> (the failings of automated tools not being enough to make an actual
> determination about what is and isn't accessible, and their often very
> opinionated/flawed test criteria that are, at best, a weird
> interpretation of the actual far more nuanced WCAG requirements...for
> instance, NOT following an ARIA pattern in terms of its roles and
> keyboard interactions is NOT necessarily a WCAG failure in all situations).
>
> P
> --
> Patrick H. Lauke
>
> https://www.splintered.co.uk/ | https://github.com/patrickhlauke
> https://flickr.com/photos/redux/ | https://www.deviantart.com/redux
> twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke
> > > > >


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From: Murphy, Sean
Date: Fri, May 22 2020 10:15PM
Subject: Re: Interesting article of 10 million pages results for a11y
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All,

Thanks for this. Some of the items you have pointed out I noticed. I just got a feeling the document was for marketing purposes, not to provide an academic research helping in the area of the state of accessibility on the Internet. Just wanted to clarify in case I was miss reading or my gut feel was wrong.

Thanks
Sean




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The first line pretty much says that "unlike tools like axe we only test what's visible". Axe does not test things that are hidden.
Also a tool that only tests visible content is not necessarily better, it depends on context.
Their menu requirements are utterly misguided. These are the guys who promise automated fix to pretty much all accessibility issues if you use their plugin service yet have over 20 axe detectable errors on their homepage.
I don't mean to put down any one vendor, we're all aiming for the same goal, and hopefully they are going to learn and improve, but seeing the outrageous claims that are so obviously out of synch not only with WCAG requirements but also user expectations takes the wind out of all their claims, possibly even actually insightful facts.




On 5/22/20, Patrick H. Lauke < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> On 22/05/2020 11:37, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
>> On 22/05/2020 11:31, Murphy, Sean wrote:
>>> a friend pointed me to Steve Faulkner blog about this called
>>> Bolt-on Accessibility – 5 gears in reverse
>>
>> Link, for those interested...
>>
>> https://developer.paciellogroup.com/blog/2020/05/bolt-on-accessibilit
>> y-5-gears-in-reverse/
>>
>>
>>
>> P
>
> Though noting that this is a slightly different topic (the failings of
> those accessibility overlays / toolbars) than the one touched on here
> (the failings of automated tools not being enough to make an actual
> determination about what is and isn't accessible, and their often very
> opinionated/flawed test criteria that are, at best, a weird
> interpretation of the actual far more nuanced WCAG requirements...for
> instance, NOT following an ARIA pattern in terms of its roles and
> keyboard interactions is NOT necessarily a WCAG failure in all situations).
>
> P
> --
> Patrick H. Lauke
>
> https://www.splintered.co.uk/ | https://github.com/patrickhlauke
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> twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke
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> >


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From: Jonathan Avila
Date: Tue, May 26 2020 5:36PM
Subject: Re: Interesting article of 10 million pages results for a11y
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I'd say that in general navigation structure should not be implemented as menus and thus failing sites for not implementing navigation structures as menus is a misunderstanding of the requirements add promotes a requirement that can make accessing navigation more difficult for real users.

Jonathan

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All,

Be interested in peoples point of view:

https://accessibe.com/blog/knowledgebase/we-analyzed-10000000-pages-and-heres-where-most-fail-with-ada-and-wcag-21-compliance

Sean

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From: Murphy, Sean
Date: Tue, May 26 2020 10:02PM
Subject: Re: Interesting article of 10 million pages results for a11y
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Jonathan


Sorry, I don't understand your comment. Are you saying menus should not be in the navigation or they should be?




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I'd say that in general navigation structure should not be implemented as menus and thus failing sites for not implementing navigation structures as menus is a misunderstanding of the requirements add promotes a requirement that can make accessing navigation more difficult for real users.

Jonathan

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All,

Be interested in peoples point of view:

https://accessibe.com/blog/knowledgebase/we-analyzed-10000000-pages-and-heres-where-most-fail-with-ada-and-wcag-21-compliance

Sean

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From: Detlev Fischer
Date: Wed, May 27 2020 12:03AM
Subject: Re: Interesting article of 10 million pages results for a11y
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It looks dodgy. The section ‘What is required by WCAG’ gives it away. There is no way WCAG ‘requires’ the use of nav or role=navigation or role=menu on menus, and role=menu is arguably a bad choice for navigation; the coverage of menu items then only mentions role menuitem which only appropriate for menus with role=menu; the tabbing requirement only applies to nav/ list of links, not constructs with role=menu etc. - its a big jumble of stuff which just wants to impress but is pretty useless seen from close up. I’d stay away from that provider.

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> Am 22.05.2020 um 11:16 schrieb Patrick H. Lauke < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >:
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> FWIW left a comment on that post to that effect...let's see if they respond/if it stays up.
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From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Wed, May 27 2020 1:28AM
Subject: Re: Interesting article of 10 million pages results for a11y
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On 27/05/2020 05:02, Murphy, Sean wrote:

> Sorry, I don't understand your comment. Are you saying menus should not be in the navigation or they should be?

The general take has been that ARIA menus should be used for
application-like menus in web applications, not for general navigation
(for a chicken-egg rationale that most keyboard users will still
think/expect that they can move from a link to the next using TAB,
rather than having to navigate like in a native application).

See also https://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/menus/ which distinguishes the
practice for "fly-out menus" and "application menus".

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From: Detlev Fischer
Date: Wed, May 27 2020 1:39AM
Subject: Re: Interesting article of 10 million pages results for a11y
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>> Sean wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, I don't understand your comment. Are you saying menus should not be in the navigation or they should be

Sean, my point was not to say that <nav> is not useful for navigation menus (lists of links) - it is; I was only saying that WCAG does not ‘require’ anything precise as this article seems to imply. There are often several ways of meeting requirements which would PASS.

From: John Foliot
Date: Wed, May 27 2020 7:28AM
Subject: Re: Interesting article of 10 million pages results for a11y
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A huge +1 to Detlev.

WCAG *NEVER *mandates techniques, it requires functional outcomes, and as
Detlev stated, there are often multiple ways of achieving just that.

As another simpler example, WCAG *DOES NOT* mandate that images have alt
text, what the specification states is that all non-text items require
textual alternatives, of which @alt, @aria-label, and @aria-labeledby are
but the *top 3*
<https://www.w3.org/TR/accname-1.1/#mapping_additional_nd_name> ways of
achieving that requirement.

JF

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:39 AM Detlev Fischer < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

>
> >> Sean wrote:
> >>
> >> Sorry, I don't understand your comment. Are you saying menus should not
> be in the navigation or they should be
>
> Sean, my point was not to say that <nav> is not useful for navigation
> menus (lists of links) - it is; I was only saying that WCAG does not
> ‘require’ anything precise as this article seems to imply. There are often
> several ways of meeting requirements which would PASS.
> > > > >


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From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Mon, Jun 01 2020 1:31PM
Subject: Re: Interesting article of 10 million pages results for a11y
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Fun fact, the comments that people left on that article recently,
pointing out the flawed/incorrect interpretations of WCAG SCs, have now
been deleted from that blog post. This should tell you everything you
need to know about this organisation...

https://accessibe.com/blog/knowledgebase/we-analyzed-10000000-pages-and-heres-where-most-fail-with-ada-and-wcag-21-compliance

P
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From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Mon, Jun 01 2020 1:44PM
Subject: Re: Interesting article of 10 million pages results for a11y
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And they received massive funding ... this is not a good day for accessibility.



On 6/1/20, Patrick H. Lauke < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Fun fact, the comments that people left on that article recently,
> pointing out the flawed/incorrect interpretations of WCAG SCs, have now
> been deleted from that blog post. This should tell you everything you
> need to know about this organisation...
>
> https://accessibe.com/blog/knowledgebase/we-analyzed-10000000-pages-and-heres-where-most-fail-with-ada-and-wcag-21-compliance
>
> P
> --
> Patrick H. Lauke
>
> https://www.splintered.co.uk/ | https://github.com/patrickhlauke
> https://flickr.com/photos/redux/ | https://www.deviantart.com/redux
> twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke
> > > > >


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From: Lucy GRECO
Date: Mon, Jun 01 2020 2:03PM
Subject: Re: Interesting article of 10 million pages results for a11y
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agreed almost ready to hang up my hat on this hole accessible web thing the
more i review the less access i see
Lucia Greco
Web Accessibility Evangelist
IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
Follow me on twitter @accessaces



On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 12:44 PM Birkir R. Gunnarsson <
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> And they received massive funding ... this is not a good day for
> accessibility.
>
>
>
> On 6/1/20, Patrick H. Lauke < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> > Fun fact, the comments that people left on that article recently,
> > pointing out the flawed/incorrect interpretations of WCAG SCs, have now
> > been deleted from that blog post. This should tell you everything you
> > need to know about this organisation...
> >
> >
> https://accessibe.com/blog/knowledgebase/we-analyzed-10000000-pages-and-heres-where-most-fail-with-ada-and-wcag-21-compliance
> >
> > P
> > --
> > Patrick H. Lauke
> >
> > https://www.splintered.co.uk/ | https://github.com/patrickhlauke
> > https://flickr.com/photos/redux/ | https://www.deviantart.com/redux
> > twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke
> > > > > > > > > >
>
>
> --
> Work hard. Have fun. Make history.
> > > > >

From: Don Mauck
Date: Mon, Jun 01 2020 3:13PM
Subject: Re: Interesting article of 10 million pages results for a11y
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Couldn't agree more!!!!
One step forward and three steps back it seems.

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agreed almost ready to hang up my hat on this hole accessible web thing the more i review the less access i see Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley
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Follow me on twitter @accessaces



On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 12:44 PM Birkir R. Gunnarsson <
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> And they received massive funding ... this is not a good day for
> accessibility.
>
>
>
> On 6/1/20, Patrick H. Lauke < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> > Fun fact, the comments that people left on that article recently,
> > pointing out the flawed/incorrect interpretations of WCAG SCs, have now
> > been deleted from that blog post. This should tell you everything you
> > need to know about this organisation...
> >
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://accessibe.com/blog/knowledgebase/we-analyzed-10000000-pages-and-heres-where-most-fail-with-ada-and-wcag-21-compliance__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!JTbHK7AfbNpOLswU-xpmu4pn_knBbiZbdda9ZcElLAZRkoZ3aFMbeEyA2jd01qU$
> >
> > P
> > --
> > Patrick H. Lauke
> >
> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.splintered.co.uk/__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!JTbHK7AfbNpOLswU-xpmu4pn_knBbiZbdda9ZcElLAZRkoZ3aFMbeEyACeNnkHU$ | https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/patrickhlauke__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!JTbHK7AfbNpOLswU-xpmu4pn_knBbiZbdda9ZcElLAZRkoZ3aFMbeEyA_W113UA$
> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://flickr.com/photos/redux/__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!JTbHK7AfbNpOLswU-xpmu4pn_knBbiZbdda9ZcElLAZRkoZ3aFMbeEyAKjkHy8M$ | https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.deviantart.com/redux__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!JTbHK7AfbNpOLswU-xpmu4pn_knBbiZbdda9ZcElLAZRkoZ3aFMbeEyAvOv8E_U$
> > twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke
> > > > > > > > > >
>
>
> --
> Work hard. Have fun. Make history.
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