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From: Jonathan C. Cohn
Date: Apr 16, 2013 7:14AM

How would that work with duplex printing.

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On Apr 16, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Jonathan Metz < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> I'm just curious, but couldn't the issue of blank pages and page numbering be solved by renumbering the pages in Acrobat? If you remove the blank page 4 so it skips from page 3 to 5, why not just start a new section starting at page 5?
>
> Thanks,
> Jonathan Metz
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> From: Pratik Patel < <EMAIL REMOVED> <mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> >>
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> Date: Friday, April 5, 2013 6:33 AM
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < <EMAIL REMOVED> <mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> >>
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Blank pages in PDFs
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> Whenever possible, I advocate for less verbiage. In this case, the
> individual looking at the PDF file has the ability (or should have the
> ability) to query the metadata from Adobe Reader. This being the case, I do
> not recommend adding additional verbiage that indicates that the page is
> blank.
>
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> Date: Friday, April 5, 2013 6:25 AM
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < <EMAIL REMOVED> <mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> >>
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Blank pages in PDFs
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> I think of blank pages as decorative images and really don't want to spend
> time hearing "page X, blank page" over and over again. I should be able to
> use Bookmarks, headings and a linked Table of Contents to get to content and
> use Ctrl + Shift + N in Acrobat to get to a specific page.
>
> I appreciate that someone tagging a PDF has thought about this and decided
> to put blank pages as Artifacts.
>
> I do occasionally use screen magnification and having some vision is not a
> good enough argument to tag decorative content - which is what the insertion
> of a blank page is.
>
> Cheers, Karen
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> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Jennifer Sutton
> Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 5:15 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Blank pages in PDFs
>
> In my view, blank pages should be left in. What if I'm using this book for
> research, and I need to cite page numbers?
>
> Sometimes, I think that catering for AT can be taken to extremes. AT users
> should know how to read these files and expect potentially blank pages, just
> as these exist in printed, brailled, or other electronic books. If you have
> low vision users who are initially confused, then I would hope they have the
> AT strategies to unconfuse themselves by paging down to see what comes next.
>
> Jennifer
>
> At 01:33 PM 4/4/2013, you wrote:
> What prompted my question was that when testing PDFs with blind and
> low-vision users, some page up/down by page. If I remember correctly,
> these were probably low-vision users.
>
> Navigating to, say, page 4 and not finding any text on it, would that
> be an impairment to the user?
> Would it cause confusion if the user's AT couldn't find any content on
> that page?
>
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> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Duff Johnson
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> Bevi,
> I'm not aware of guidelines on this specific point. Zero content means
> zero content.
> PDF/UA is silent on this question. Fully blank (zero content) pages
> exist from an AT point of view only in the sense that they cause the
> PDF to be longer by a page. When such a page is displayed a user could
> query the PageLabel to find out (for example) that the blank page was the
> 4th of 18.
> This is notionally useful information - at least - it's equivalent
> information to that which is available to other users.
>
> On Apr 4, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Chagnon | PubCom < <EMAIL REMOVED> <mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> >> wrote:
>> We're processing some PDFs for a government client and the books
>> have blank pages between chapters. These are to force new chapters
>> to start on right-hand pages in the printed version.
>>
>> Is there any guideline or "best practice" for identifying these
>> blank pages to blind readers?
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