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Re: Another example of role="alert" not being read by NVDA

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From: Susan Grossman
Date: May 16, 2013 12:49PM

Good points made. Didn't realize the prevalence.

Susan


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Steve Green <
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> It sounds like you understand how the license works. However, I encounter
> a lot of companies that have used the trial version continuously for many
> years, and many of these encourage other people to do the same.
>
> I am not sure anyone on this list actually does need to do a trial. We all
> know (because it has been stated a thousand times) that all screen readers
> behave differently, so if you are designing or testing a website that has
> to work with JAWS, then you have to have JAWS. And on the flip side, very
> few people are going to spend $1000+ on it if they don't have to.
>
> Steve Green
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:
> <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Susan Grossman
> Sent: 16 May 2013 19:32
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Another example of role="alert" not being read by
> NVDA
>
> Wasn't suggesting JAWS as a permanent testing tool. But if you don't have
> it, i do recommend testing with it on a single item or two, and then
> considering purchasing it when you see it handles differently than NVDA.
>
> Didn't mention the time limit specifically because I don't advocate it as
> a testing tool. Do own my a personal copy, and have gotten many
> corporations to purchase it, after showing them how important it is in
> testing - by getting them to try testing with the trial.
>
> If companies never try it for testing, and never see how they would
> benefit from purchasing it, they won't buy it. That's what a trial is.
>
> If I've misinterpreted what trial means, and what the license for
> long-term testing is saying, tell me.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Steve Green <
> <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > Can I remind everyone that you must not use the JAWS demo version for
> > testing - the license terms explicitly prohibit this. You are only
> > allowed to use it to determine whether or not to buy the full version.
> > Some of us spend a great deal of money ensuring we are correctly
> > licensed - we may not like it but it's just one of the costs of being in
> this business.
> >
> > Steve Green
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:
> > <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Susan Grossman
> > Sent: 16 May 2013 17:48
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Another example of role="alert" not being read
> > by NVDA
> >
> > You can see if it's an NVD only issue by trying with the JAWS demo. (
> > http://www.freedomscientific.com/products/fs/jaws-product-page.asp)
> >
> > Also, there is a support chart on at freedom scientific site: (This
> is
> > a Word doc
> >
> > http://www.freedomscientific.com/PDF/visionloss/manuals/DevDoc/JAWS-AR
> > IA-Support.doc
> > )
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Angela French < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> wrote:
> >
> > > >I would question the use of a role in a span tag.
> > > >
> > > >Have you tried replacing it with a block element like <p> or <div>
> > > >and
> > > see if it
> > > >works then? We have come across issues when employing the span
> > > >tag,
> > > which is
> > > >really more for styling, for purposes other than style.
> > > >
> > >
> > > This is very frustrating to try to figure out what will work in what
> > > browsers. Again, using NVDA, Example A on this page (
> > > http://www.accessibleculture.org/articles/2011/02/aria-alert/) does
> > > NOT read the alert in IE9. It is in a <p> tag.
> > > It does get read in Firefox 20.
> > >
> > > We are under pressure to get this app into production and we cannot
> > > seem to get the form validation errors to announce in NVDA (the only
> > > screen reader we have)
> > >
> > > Angela French
> > >
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