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Re: Another example of role="alert" not being read by NVDA

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From: Steve Green
Date: May 16, 2013 12:44PM

It sounds like you understand how the license works. However, I encounter a lot of companies that have used the trial version continuously for many years, and many of these encourage other people to do the same.

I am not sure anyone on this list actually does need to do a trial. We all know (because it has been stated a thousand times) that all screen readers behave differently, so if you are designing or testing a website that has to work with JAWS, then you have to have JAWS. And on the flip side, very few people are going to spend $1000+ on it if they don't have to.

Steve Green


-----Original Message-----
From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Susan Grossman
Sent: 16 May 2013 19:32
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Another example of role="alert" not being read by NVDA

Wasn't suggesting JAWS as a permanent testing tool. But if you don't have it, i do recommend testing with it on a single item or two, and then considering purchasing it when you see it handles differently than NVDA.

Didn't mention the time limit specifically because I don't advocate it as a testing tool. Do own my a personal copy, and have gotten many corporations to purchase it, after showing them how important it is in testing - by getting them to try testing with the trial.

If companies never try it for testing, and never see how they would benefit from purchasing it, they won't buy it. That's what a trial is.

If I've misinterpreted what trial means, and what the license for long-term testing is saying, tell me.





On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Steve Green < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Can I remind everyone that you must not use the JAWS demo version for
> testing - the license terms explicitly prohibit this. You are only
> allowed to use it to determine whether or not to buy the full version.
> Some of us spend a great deal of money ensuring we are correctly
> licensed - we may not like it but it's just one of the costs of being in this business.
>
> Steve Green
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:
> <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Susan Grossman
> Sent: 16 May 2013 17:48
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Another example of role="alert" not being read
> by NVDA
>
> You can see if it's an NVD only issue by trying with the JAWS demo. (
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/products/fs/jaws-product-page.asp)
>
> Also, there is a support chart on at freedom scientific site: (This is
> a Word doc
>
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/PDF/visionloss/manuals/DevDoc/JAWS-AR
> IA-Support.doc
> )
>
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Angela French < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > >I would question the use of a role in a span tag.
> > >
> > >Have you tried replacing it with a block element like <p> or <div>
> > >and
> > see if it
> > >works then? We have come across issues when employing the span
> > >tag,
> > which is
> > >really more for styling, for purposes other than style.
> > >
> >
> > This is very frustrating to try to figure out what will work in what
> > browsers. Again, using NVDA, Example A on this page (
> > http://www.accessibleculture.org/articles/2011/02/aria-alert/) does
> > NOT read the alert in IE9. It is in a <p> tag.
> > It does get read in Firefox 20.
> >
> > We are under pressure to get this app into production and we cannot
> > seem to get the form validation errors to announce in NVDA (the only
> > screen reader we have)
> >
> > Angela French
> >
> > > > > > list messages to <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >
>
>
>
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