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Re: Another example of role="alert" not being read by NVDA

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From: Angela French
Date: May 16, 2013 1:37PM

Once, where I worked years ago, we had a lab with JAWS in it. I didn't know how to use it and the manual that came with it was in Braille. I am sighted so that did me no good. Do they still ship with just a Braille manual?

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>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 12:29 PM
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>Adobe has a white paper that teaches how to use JAWS and Window-Eyes.
>http://www.adobe.com/accessibility/pdfs/accessing-pdf-sr.pdf
>
>Very helpful for developers so that they become familiar with JAWS and how it is
>used.
>But as someone else said, real testing should be done by a JAWS user. We
>developers can only test the "light" stuff.
>
>As a developer/designer, I use JAWS throughout development to test reading
>order, make sure that the document structure is correct, and that graphics and
>their Alt-text read correctly. Especially helpful when dealing with very complex
>designs, such as multiple column layouts in Word/InDesign/PDFs, tables,
>sidebars, etc. I can quickly find errors and fix them before the document goes to
>the reviewer/tester.
>
>Testing navigation issues, headings, etc. is best done by a skilled JAWS tester, not
>me!
>
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>[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Akshi Kakar
>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 2:57 PM
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>Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Another example of role="alert" not being read by NVDA
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>Susan,
>I am going to be involved in testing our compatibility with JAWS but have never
>tested with it before. How would you suggest we teach ourselves this process of
>testing? I have used the demo version of JAWS to test before but I am guessing
>the actual testing should be more rigorous.
>
>Thanks,
>Akshi
>
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>From: Susan Grossman [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 2:32 PM
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>Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Another example of role="alert" not being read by NVDA
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>Wasn't suggesting JAWS as a permanent testing tool. But if you don't have it, i
>do recommend testing with it on a single item or two, and then considering
>purchasing it when you see it handles differently than NVDA.
>
>Didn't mention the time limit specifically because I don't advocate it as a testing
>tool. Do own my a personal copy, and have gotten many corporations to
>purchase it, after showing them how important it is in testing - by getting them
>to try testing with the trial.
>
>If companies never try it for testing, and never see how they would benefit from
>purchasing it, they won't buy it. That's what a trial is.
>
>If I've misinterpreted what trial means, and what the license for long-term
>testing is saying, tell me.
>
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