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From: Lucy Greco
Date: Jan 8, 2014 4:27PM

Ok I just tested in i.e. 10 and found a different but similar problem.
When I tab to the link and click it will speak the state change but if I
click it again it does not tell me that the state changed back. We want
the link to change whenever the user clicks it and it does do so but jaws
needs to say witch state it is currently in.
And if I keep clicking it never tells me that the state changes. The
difference in i.e. to ff is that I can tab away and back again and it
will tell me once again the state change but only the first state change
to get it to tell me I can't click the link without tabbing away from the
link.
Also I think it's not controllable but in i.e. the user does not have any
way to go to the focused text that has been opened like in Firefox I think
that's a known jaws thing.

Lucia Greco
Web Access Analyst
IST-Campus Technology Services
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Birkir R.
Gunnarsson
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 3:08 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone file it

Testing this with Jaws 15 and FF24, I observed the following.
Clicking expand/collapse links works consistently every time.
If a section is expanded and I refresh the page, the section
collapses. That is not a Jaws problem, it collapses also visually in
the browser.
Is this the root of the problem Lucy?
We can get to the bottom of this.
Thanks
-Birkir
Accessibility SME | Deque Systems


On 1/8/14, Bryan Garaventa < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> It works fine for me. I tested it using JAWS15 in IE 8 9 and 10 and FF,
and
> it's not having any problems. I also refreshed the page, reloaded the
url,
> and again that works too.
>
> Which version of JAWS, browser, and OS are you seeing this on?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: cb
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone
file
> it
>
>
> Thanks for the feedback. The trigger function now includes
> preventDefault(). Unfortunately it didn't solve Lucy's problem though.
> A new version is attached in case anyone with Jaws wants to try to
> duplicate what she's experiencing.
>
> Caroline
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Bryan Garaventa
> < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > The script is missing a preventDefault() which may be contributing
to
> the
> > problem. This should be added to prevent page refreshing whenever
DOM
> level
> > dynamic content is rendered via a triggering element.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lucy Greco" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 1:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone
file
> it
> >
> >
> >> Great please do test and remember it works the first time you open
the
> >> expand just not after that
> >>
> >> Lucia Greco
> >> Web Access Analyst
> >> IST-Campus Technology Services
> >> University of California, Berkeley
> >> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> >> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Birkir
R.
> >> Gunnarsson
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 1:14 PM
> >> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> >> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone
file
> it
> >>
> >> Lucy
> >>
> >> I am able to use Jaws reliably on this demo page I came up with
with
> >> Detlev Fisher, one that is on his site at:
> >> http://www.3needs.org/en/testing/code/aria-expanded.html#
> >>
> >> I can check the demo later on, and if this is a bug I would be
happy
> to
> >> help you file it. I am on the Jaws beta team, though I am not very
> active.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/8/14, Lucy Greco < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >>> Sorry about that here is the demo
> >>>
> >>> Lucia Greco
> >>> Web Access Analyst
> >>> IST-Campus Technology Services
> >>> University of California, Berkeley
> >>> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> >>> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Lucy Greco [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 12:56 PM
> >>> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
> >>> Subject: a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone file it
> >>>
> >>> Hello:
> >>> We would like to give users of our campus accessible templates
the
> >>> ability to use an expandable and collapsible content area.
Attached
> is
> >> the
> >>> demo of what we have come up with so far. It works great in NVDA
> and
> >> not
> >>> so good in jaws.
> >>> The problem we have found in jaws is that jaws only indicates the
> >>> expansion happens the first time the expand is clicked. In fact if
> you
> >>> go back to the page a second time it won't say anything ever
again.
> >>> When this first happened I thought I was losing my mind but I
tested
> >>> on another computer and the same thing happened. My instinct is
that
> >>> jaws is the bad player in this game. Can someone else confirm this
> and
> >>> if anyone on this list is on the jaws beta team could you file
this
> as
> >>> a bug. I am really getting fed up with AT that does not implement
> >> standards appropriately.
> >>> It's hard enough to get developers to code to standers and then
when
> >>> the AT does not work to the standers it's even harder. My new
year's
> >>> resolution is to shame AT products that don't come up to the mark
> more
> >>> grin Lucy Lucia Greco Web Access Analyst IST-Campus Technology
> >>> Services University of California, Berkeley
> >>> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> >>> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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