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Re: Web Accessibility Validators - Experience survey

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From: Karl Groves
Date: Jul 31, 2014 8:42AM


"Yes, we have reduced the list because I'm evaluating those validators"
This is, IMO at least, a bad idea. Again because

"Anyway, (correct me if I'm wrong) WCAG 1 can't be automatically validated;
it has to be manually checked."

This statement is inaccurate for two reasons: First is that WCAG 1 has
been obsoleted by WCAG 2.0. The difference is important and you should be
familiar with WCAG 2.0 before continuing your research.

There are things which can be definitively tested using automated means,
things that can be tested automatically but must be verified by a skilled
tester, and things that can only be checked manually.
http://www.karlgroves.com/2012/09/15/accessibility-testing-what-can-be-tested-and-how/

Ultimately accessibility *is* a user experience challenge, and therefore
"accessibility" is determined by how usable the system is. The unique
portion of accessibility is the higher contribution of technical factors.
This makes the use of automated or semi-automated testing more valuable for
evaluating accessibility.





On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Gaspar Rajoy < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Hi Karl!
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
> Yes, we have reduced the list because I'm evaluating those validators; but
> yes, I have to look further. Anyway, (correct me if I'm wrong) WCAG 1 can't
> be automatically validated; it has to be manually checked.
>
> Anyway, the base of this is that I'm developing a new concept in
> Accessibility Validation, so when I have a preview, I'll share to all of
> you.
>
> Thanks again, Karl
>
>
> On 31 July 2014 11:12, Karl Groves < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > Gaspar,
> >
> > Not to take the wind out of your sails, but you may want to do a more
> > thorough evaluation of the tools available on the market as well as a
> more
> > informed study of evaluation methods overall and the various use cases
> for
> > accessibility testing tools and for automated software testing in general
> >
> > I say this because of the rather small number of tools in your survey and
> > the choices of tools in your survey. For instance, at least one of those
> > tools only tests WCAG 1.0.
> >
> > Some helpful links for you
> >
> > http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/ - thats the evaluation and repair tools WG at
> > W3C
> >
> > http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/WD-AERT/ED-AERT - that's a recent document
> > they've published a document that provides an overview of potential
> > features of tools.
> >
> >
> > Also, taking an opportunity to rant a little:
> > Something that I feel is currently holding accessibility back is the
> > continuing ignorance of software QA outside of accessibility. The
> continued
> > creation and use of standalone testing systems prevents the mainstreaming
> > of accessibility in development processes.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2014-07-31 8:08 GMT-04:00 Gaspar Rajoy < <EMAIL REMOVED> >:
> >
> > > Hello everyone!
> > >
> > > I'm from Argentina, and I'm about to finish my Degree. To make that
> > > possible, I'm doing a thesis of Accessibility Validators, and
> > implementing
> > > a completely new concept in Accessibility Validation of W3C's WCAG2
> > Rules,
> > > written in Java. As part of the work, I have to do a deep research of
> the
> > > current market offer in this matter. All I need from you, is to
> complete
> > a
> > > form (link provided at the end) with a few questions about your
> > experience,
> > > your thoughts and what do you expect from a validator to provide (if
> you
> > > have experienced some of the validators, and you are working with Web
> > > Accessibility).
> > >
> > > Sincerely, I really appreciate your help.
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Hola a todos! Soy de Argentina, y estoy a punto de terminar mi tesis de
> > > grado. Para hacer eso posible, estoy haciendo un trabajo de
> investigación
> > > sobre Validadores de Accesibilidad Web, e implementado un nuevo
> concepto
> > en
> > > Validación de Accesibilidad Web basado en las reglas WCAG2 de la W3C,
> > > escrito en Java. Como parte de dicho trabajo, necesito hacer una
> > > investigación sobre la oferta de mercado actual, en materia de
> > validadores
> > > existentes.
> > >
> > > Lo que necesito de ustedes, es que completen un formulario (enlace
> > provisto
> > > al final) con un par de preguntas acerca de su experiencia con
> > validadores
> > > de accesibilidad, qué piensan y qué características creen que éstos
> > > deberían tener (si aplica, ya que puede que nunca hayan trabajado con
> > este
> > > tipo de herramientas).
> > >
> > > *El formulario se encuentra en inglés, pero si necesitan tenerlo en
> > > español, por favor me avisan así les proveo la versión traducida.*
> > >
> > > Sinceramente agradezco el tiempo y la ayuda de todos ustedes.
> > >
> > > Web Accessibility Validators - Form
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1pAPGb3dgSgoXpNhWaaSOQSVq4c_7Ts6Rg3e95mTvH-0/viewform?usp=send_form
> > > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > > *-- Gaspar RajoyPhone: (+54) 9 (221) 5666077*
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Karl Groves
> > www.karlgroves.com
> > @karlgroves
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlgroves
> > Phone: +1 410.541.6829
> >
> > www.tenon.io
> >
> > What is this thing and what does it do?
> > http://vimeo.com/84970341
> >
> > http://lanyrd.com/profile/karlgroves/
> > > > > > > >
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> *-- Gaspar RajoyPhone: (+54) 9 (221) 5666077*
> > > >



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Karl Groves
www.karlgroves.com
@karlgroves
http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlgroves
Phone: +1 410.541.6829

www.tenon.io

What is this thing and what does it do?
http://vimeo.com/84970341

http://lanyrd.com/profile/karlgroves/