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From: Gaspar Rajoy
Date: Jul 31, 2014 8:51AM

Yes, I agree with you.
I am very familiar with WCAG 2.0, that's why I said that about WCAG 1.0.

If you look al W3C's specification, you'll find Rules for WCAG 2; WCAG1
doesn't have rules.

I'm writing my rules based on this: http://oaa-accessibility.org

Thanks for the link, very useful.


On 31 July 2014 11:42, Karl Groves < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> "Yes, we have reduced the list because I'm evaluating those validators"
> This is, IMO at least, a bad idea. Again because
>
> "Anyway, (correct me if I'm wrong) WCAG 1 can't be automatically validated;
> it has to be manually checked."
>
> This statement is inaccurate for two reasons: First is that WCAG 1 has
> been obsoleted by WCAG 2.0. The difference is important and you should be
> familiar with WCAG 2.0 before continuing your research.
>
> There are things which can be definitively tested using automated means,
> things that can be tested automatically but must be verified by a skilled
> tester, and things that can only be checked manually.
>
> http://www.karlgroves.com/2012/09/15/accessibility-testing-what-can-be-tested-and-how/
>
> Ultimately accessibility *is* a user experience challenge, and therefore
> "accessibility" is determined by how usable the system is. The unique
> portion of accessibility is the higher contribution of technical factors.
> This makes the use of automated or semi-automated testing more valuable for
> evaluating accessibility.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Gaspar Rajoy < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > Hi Karl!
> >
> > Thanks for the feedback.
> >
> > Yes, we have reduced the list because I'm evaluating those validators;
> but
> > yes, I have to look further. Anyway, (correct me if I'm wrong) WCAG 1
> can't
> > be automatically validated; it has to be manually checked.
> >
> > Anyway, the base of this is that I'm developing a new concept in
> > Accessibility Validation, so when I have a preview, I'll share to all of
> > you.
> >
> > Thanks again, Karl
> >
> >
> > On 31 July 2014 11:12, Karl Groves < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >
> > > Gaspar,
> > >
> > > Not to take the wind out of your sails, but you may want to do a more
> > > thorough evaluation of the tools available on the market as well as a
> > more
> > > informed study of evaluation methods overall and the various use cases
> > for
> > > accessibility testing tools and for automated software testing in
> general
> > >
> > > I say this because of the rather small number of tools in your survey
> and
> > > the choices of tools in your survey. For instance, at least one of
> those
> > > tools only tests WCAG 1.0.
> > >
> > > Some helpful links for you
> > >
> > > http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/ - thats the evaluation and repair tools WG
> at
> > > W3C
> > >
> > > http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/WD-AERT/ED-AERT - that's a recent document
> > > they've published a document that provides an overview of potential
> > > features of tools.
> > >
> > >
> > > Also, taking an opportunity to rant a little:
> > > Something that I feel is currently holding accessibility back is the
> > > continuing ignorance of software QA outside of accessibility. The
> > continued
> > > creation and use of standalone testing systems prevents the
> mainstreaming
> > > of accessibility in development processes.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2014-07-31 8:08 GMT-04:00 Gaspar Rajoy < <EMAIL REMOVED> >:
> > >
> > > > Hello everyone!
> > > >
> > > > I'm from Argentina, and I'm about to finish my Degree. To make that
> > > > possible, I'm doing a thesis of Accessibility Validators, and
> > > implementing
> > > > a completely new concept in Accessibility Validation of W3C's WCAG2
> > > Rules,
> > > > written in Java. As part of the work, I have to do a deep research of
> > the
> > > > current market offer in this matter. All I need from you, is to
> > complete
> > > a
> > > > form (link provided at the end) with a few questions about your
> > > experience,
> > > > your thoughts and what do you expect from a validator to provide (if
> > you
> > > > have experienced some of the validators, and you are working with Web
> > > > Accessibility).
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely, I really appreciate your help.
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Hola a todos! Soy de Argentina, y estoy a punto de terminar mi tesis
> de
> > > > grado. Para hacer eso posible, estoy haciendo un trabajo de
> > investigación
> > > > sobre Validadores de Accesibilidad Web, e implementado un nuevo
> > concepto
> > > en
> > > > Validación de Accesibilidad Web basado en las reglas WCAG2 de la W3C,
> > > > escrito en Java. Como parte de dicho trabajo, necesito hacer una
> > > > investigación sobre la oferta de mercado actual, en materia de
> > > validadores
> > > > existentes.
> > > >
> > > > Lo que necesito de ustedes, es que completen un formulario (enlace
> > > provisto
> > > > al final) con un par de preguntas acerca de su experiencia con
> > > validadores
> > > > de accesibilidad, qué piensan y qué características creen que éstos
> > > > deberían tener (si aplica, ya que puede que nunca hayan trabajado con
> > > este
> > > > tipo de herramientas).
> > > >
> > > > *El formulario se encuentra en inglés, pero si necesitan tenerlo en
> > > > español, por favor me avisan así les proveo la versión traducida.*
> > > >
> > > > Sinceramente agradezco el tiempo y la ayuda de todos ustedes.
> > > >
> > > > Web Accessibility Validators - Form
> > > > <
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1pAPGb3dgSgoXpNhWaaSOQSVq4c_7Ts6Rg3e95mTvH-0/viewform?usp=send_form
> > > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *-- Gaspar RajoyPhone: (+54) 9 (221) 5666077*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Karl Groves
> > > www.karlgroves.com
> > > @karlgroves
> > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlgroves
> > > Phone: +1 410.541.6829
> > >
> > > www.tenon.io
> > >
> > > What is this thing and what does it do?
> > > http://vimeo.com/84970341
> > >
> > > http://lanyrd.com/profile/karlgroves/
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > *-- Gaspar RajoyPhone: (+54) 9 (221) 5666077*
> > > > > > > >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Karl Groves
> www.karlgroves.com
> @karlgroves
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlgroves
> Phone: +1 410.541.6829
>
> www.tenon.io
>
> What is this thing and what does it do?
> http://vimeo.com/84970341
>
> http://lanyrd.com/profile/karlgroves/
> > > >



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*-- Gaspar RajoyPhone: (+54) 9 (221) 5666077*