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From: L Snider
Date: Nov 28, 2014 6:41AM


Sorry Gmail cut me off!

Would a Daisy PDF solve these issues? I have seen it used a lot in e-books,
but haven't seen use in business documents.

On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 7:32 AM, L Snider < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Oh and my next question would be, would PDF/UA help solve this issue? I
> have been researching it to see if I will use it, and now I am researching
> it more to see if it can help? Advice?
>
> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 7:26 AM, L Snider < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
>> Hello Gijs and Marco,
>>
>> So nothing has improved? This makes me mad...I just don't get it. I was
>> hoping someone would say that I was wrong and missed something...
>>
>> So my next question is-what do we do?
>>
>> Do people who are blind use apps that show the structure?
>>
>> If not, then how can we use PDF at all? I try to structure PDFs so they
>> are readable, but without tags it is just a jumble...
>>
>> What if a PDF is warranted (as is the case for most of what I have to
>> look at or produce)? I am now thinking of offering HTML as an alternative,
>> so at least that might help. Does anyone have any good Word>HTML convertors
>> that take out the mess of Word code? I haven't had to do that in a while,
>> so if anyone has a favourite do let me know.
>>
>> Wow, this is really going back to the early 2000s, how sad.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Lisa
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 5:54 AM, Marco Zehe < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> my experience is that, aside from Adobe Reader on Windows plus
>>> supporting screen readers, PDF tags or whatever it's called nowadays
>>> isn't supported by anyone. Even apps such as Voice Dream Reader do not,
>>> as far as I know, expose PDF tag information. And neither does Adobe
>>> Reader for iOS. The Mac version of that isn't even VoiceOver accessible
>>> at all.
>>>
>>> On Android, according to my limited testing, the situation is just as
>>> dismal.
>>>
>>> Marco
>>>
>>> On 28.11.2014 09:31, Gijs Veyfeyken wrote:
>>> > Apple doesn't support PDF tags.
>>> > All the structural information in tags (tables, headings, lists,
>>> alt-texts, etcetera) is lost for VoiceOver users.
>>> > Not only in iOS but also in Mac OS.
>>> > http://duff-johnson.com/2013/03/01/inaccessible-by-choice-pdf-on-macos
>>> >
>>> > Gijs
>>> >
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>>> >> 1. PDFs and Smartphones-A Match Not Made in Heaven? (L Snider)
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>>> >> From: L Snider < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> >> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> >> Date: 26 Nov 2014 20:37:08 CET
>>> >> Reply-To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> >> Subject: [WebAIM] PDFs and Smartphones-A Match Not Made in Heaven?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> HI Everyone,
>>> >>
>>> >> My last discussion got me thinking about PDFs, iphones and android
>>> phones.
>>> >>
>>> >> I can make a pretty accessible PDF (using a pretty accessible Word
>>> doc).
>>> >> However, I am now researching PDFs and smartphones, which don't seem
>>> that
>>> >> smart now...
>>> >>
>>> >> I have read about apps that might help with 'reading' the PDF, but in
>>> the
>>> >> end are PDFs doomed? What if one needs to use a PDF that has tables,
>>> etc.
>>> >> for a specific use, ie: a handbook that does not lend itself to html?
>>> >>
>>> >> I can still produce my lovely pretty accessible PDF, but if a mobile
>>> user
>>> >> who has VoiceOver reads it, then they rely on reading order alone for
>>> the
>>> >> most part? Would love to hear what all of you think and what you are
>>> doing
>>> >> with your PDFs.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers
>>> >>
>>> >> Lisa
>>> >>
>>> >> PS-Two articles were of particular interest:
>>> >> I found a couple of articles that peaked my interest:
>>> >>
>>> http://webguide.gov.au/accessibility-usability/accessibility/pdf-accessibility/
>>> >>
>>> https://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/2013/09/06/pdf-accessibility-on-mobile-devices/
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>
>>> >>> >>> >>>
>>
>>
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