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From: Kevin Prince
Date: Nov 29, 2015 2:28AM

Having spent much of the last fortnight trying to put together a simple text page that is consistently navigable using Sharepoint I'm stunned by quite how difficult they make it. Even writing raw html and copy/pasting doesn't seem to provide a consistent visual result. I find it quite amazing how badly MS have implemented the tools. To be fair the underlying elements and web parts can be quite accessible but you have to understand how to keep them so. Even something as simple as the ability to type an address as a single paragraph rather than as a set of one line paragraphs seems bloody difficult (solved by writing it in the html editor using <br> rather than carriage returns in the visual editor.

In a tool designed for anyone to edit pages from the janitor up this is not acceptable.

Kev
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> On 25/11/2015, at 06:25, Ann Pennington < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
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> Discover Technologies has a SharePoint solution as well: http://discovertechnologies.com/products/discover-508-sharepoint/
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> It runs as an "add on" on top of SharePoint 2010 and 2013 sites. It is probably best for people who leverage the Microsoft out-of-the-box master pages, rather than building the master pages from scratch (which is possible, particularly in 2013). It is quite comprehensive, and Freedom Scientific featured it in multiple workshops about tools for accessibility.
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> Best of luck!
> Ann Pennington
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> SRA International
> Contractor to the VA (Dragon Naturally Speaking, accessible web design/development)
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>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Karlen Communications < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
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>> While there is "some" accessibility built into SharePoint out of the box, all bets are off once an organization begins customizing the portals for their own branding/use, especially if the developers are not familiar with accessible design.
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>> Deque Systems has a SharePoint solution but it looks like it is integrated into the World Space tool. I tried to find stand alone content on the SharePoint tool and this is the only reference: http://www.deque.com/blog/deque-systems-a-microsoft-gold-certified-development-pertner-releases-a-first-of-its-kind-web-acessibility-solution-for-sharepoint/
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>> HiSoft also has a tool to help with SharePoint accessibility, https://www.cryptzone.com/products/data-security/hisoftware-security-sheriff/hisoftware-solutions-for-sharepoint-and-office-365/office365/accessibility-foundation-module-afm
>> It looks like HiSoftware is now Cryptzone?
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>> Other articles:
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>> From Microsoft: Accessibility in SharePoint 2013, https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/jj841103.aspx
>> Accessibility features in SharePoint products (Microsoft), https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Accessibility-features-in-SharePoint-products-F291404A-DC7E-44DE-A31F-D81B3099C2B9
>> Microsoft (basics), Create an Accessible SharePoint site, https://support.office.com/en-ca/article/basics-create-an-accessible-sharepoint-site-53707eb5-b7b8-4ee0-ae82-9d4d916f7fe1
>> Cryptzone Insight newsletter, Making SharePoint Accessible, https://insight.cryptzone.com/content-security/sharepoint-security/make-sharepoint-accessible/
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>> Cheers, Karen
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Chagnon | PubCom.com
>> Sent: November 23, 2015 11:22 AM
>> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Sharepoint frustrations
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>> Birkir, I'd love for an overview and/or summary of Sharepoint's accessibility problems.
>> Or if you wanted to write a blog about them somewhere, that would be great.
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>> We no longer work on Sharepoint projects so when my enterprise and government clients ask me about its accessibility, I'm at a loss. I'd like to direct them to some solid info about it and I appreciate your knowledge and expertise.
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>> TIA,
>> Bevi
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Birkir R. Gunnarsson
>> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 8:31 PM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Sharepoint frustrations
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>> I have seen these issues, and they are due to the fact that accessibility of Sharepoint generated content is beyond horid!
>> Microsoft didn't just drop the ball on accessibility of Sharepoint generated content, they dug a 100-foot deep hole first.
>> This has something to do with the misuse of the application role I think. Then aria-hidden is used incorrectly which hides big portions of the content.
>> It has been a few months, and I will have to dig through my notes to be more specific.
>> I will try to email you something off-list, if there is still use for this information.
>> Cheers
>> -B
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>> On 11/19/15, Ritz, Courtney L. (GSFC-7500) < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
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>>> Apologies if I sent this twice, was having an Outlook issue.
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>>> Is there anyone on the list who's had experience developing in
>>> Sharepoint
>>> 2010 or 2013, and or using it with a screen reader like JAWS?
>>> I'm at my wit's end, trying to help our developers figure out why JAWS
>>> keeps treating some of the page content as editable, speaking "edit
>>> has pop-up" on each line of text or hyperlink and trying to turn on Forms Mode.
>>> If anyone has any ideas as to what might cause this aggravating
>>> behavior and what the developers could maybe do to fix it, please let
>>> me know off-list, unless others here are interested in finding out.
>>> Unfortunately, for security reasons, the pages are behind a firewall.
>>> The folks at Microsoft and Freedom Scientific both couldn't help us
>>> much, since they couldn't see the Sharepoint pages themselves.
>>>
>>> Courtney
>>> >>> >>> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>>> >>>
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