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From: John Britsios
Date: Jul 31, 2003 1:46PM

Hi!

To JavaScript:

I avoid as far as possible JavaScript, to avoid running risks on
complications on the end users machines, or while goverment and other
employees are required to disable this feature, for security or other
reasons. Also there is a number of users who are very concerned about
security issues and disable this feature too.

Is that not also accessibility?

John Britsios

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Thatcher" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
To: < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:29 PM
Subject: RE: drop down menus


> I thought the question concerned the use of JavaScript to display a
sub-menu
> when moving the mouse over a main menu item or link - whether these could
be
> accessible.
>
> The tutorial (http://jimthatcher.com/webcoursea.htm#Webcourse10.d) tried
to
> answer that by saying that if all the links of the "sub-menu" are easily
> available on the page opened by the main menu item link, then yes - the
> advantage of someone using the JavaScript sub-menus is nominal.
>
> I didn't intend to be commenting about fonts or colors or anything else,
> just whether or not the drop-down menus could be accessible. I think Yes,
> essentially by ignoring the sub-menus.
>
> Jim
> 508 Web Accessibility Tutorial http://jimthatcher.com/webcourse1.htm.
> "Constructing Accessible Web Sites:" http://jimthatcher.com/news.htm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Gunderson [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 11:53 AM
> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> Subject: RE: drop down menus
>
> The referenced tutorial says that pull down menus are a "relatively minor
> convenience for sighted (mouse) users". If I have a visual impairment and
> have user styling enabled on the web browser these pull down menus are a
> major problem. If I change font size these menus fall apart in terms of
> reflow and obscure content. If I change colors the menu text becomes
> transparent to the background text and this results in a spaghetti of over
> lapping text, which is totally unreadable.
>
> I characterize these problems as major accessibility problems. Just try
> some of these websites yourself with user styling of text enabled on the
> browser.
>
> Jon
>
>
> At 08:44 AM 7/31/2003 -0500, Jim Thatcher wrote:
> >There's a discussion of drop down menus in the "Web Course",
> >http://jimthatcher.com/webcoursea.htm/#webcourse10.d with the NSF.gov
site
> >as an example.
> >
> >Jim
> >508 Web Accessibility Tutorial http://jimthatcher.com/webcourse1.htm.
> >"Constructing Accessible Web Sites:" http://jimthatcher.com/news.htm
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: NutHouse Studios [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:23 PM
> >To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >Subject: drop down menus
> >
> >I was wondering if it's possible to make drop down menus for navigation
> that
> >
> >are accessible? For an example of what I'd like to do, see:
> >http://www.wcc.cc.il.us/ and view the top menu that includes Prospective
> >Students, Current Students, etc. I know that they're not using ALT tags,
> >but I was just wondering if the use of drop down menus is possible.
> >
> >Thanks for your time - max c.
> >
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