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Re: Hidden text more robust than title?

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From: Beranek, Nicholas
Date: Jul 14, 2017 2:02PM

It's a case where you can pass SC 1.3.1 Info and Relationships with an accessible name but fail SC 3.3.2 Labels or Instructions for not having a visible label (with a few exceptions, like the cases Birkir just mentioned).

Thanks for your responses. Jon, thanks for providing that link; it's very helpful.

Nick

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Exactly what Jon said.

The title attribute is a valid source of accessible name, but is not persistent visible label.
It could only be used to provide an accessible name to form fields visually identified by an adjacent field or part of a multi-part-input, or as a source of accessible name for a link or button identified visually with an icon.

That being said, I think the title attribute is the better way to go here.
You don't have to provide this info (unless you do with an icon) so it is supplementary to the link purpose. That is what the title attribute is intended for.
If you place too much information into the linktext itself it becomes cumbersome and confusing.
Also it is very bad pactice (not that you suggested it) to put hidden text wih instructions before the link text.



On 7/14/17, Jonathan Avila < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>> It becomes a problem when we use it for a text input in place of an
>> accessible name.
>
> The title attribute can be used as the accessible name for an input as
> long as it's accessibility supported. It has been very well support
> historically but I haven't confirmed its support on mobile recently.
>
> The accessible name calculation can be found here:
> https://www.w3.org/TR/html-aam-1.0/#input-type-text-input-type-passwor
> d-input-type-search-input-type-tel-input-type-url-and-textarea-element
>
> It would not however serve as a visible label for an input that was
> not otherwise labelled because it is only available on mouse hover in
> most browsers.
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> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Hidden text more robust than title?
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> Hey Brian, after our discussion we decided that since the title
> attribute is still being relayed as an accessible description for
> links (confirmed through MSAA object inspect and NVDA) it is OK to use
> it in this context. It becomes a problem when we use it for a text
> input in place of an accessible name.
>
> Nick
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> Which is more robust, the title attribute or visually hidden text?
>
> <a href="some/url" title="opens in a new window">read more</a>
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> <a href="some/url">read more <span class="css_clipping"> opens in a
> new window</span></a>
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> I have felt that the title attribute was not fully supported by AT,
> but I don't actually know of any specific situations where it would fail.
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