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Re: Fwd: YouTube play button lacks title

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Date: Aug 23, 2017 8:22PM

Hello all,
As I've expected, Google has responded promptly. Please see below.

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula
+91-9900810881
Sent on my phone. Excuse typos, if any.

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> From: disability-support < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Date: 23 August 2017 at 22:09:19 IST
> To: Srinivasu Chakravarthula < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Cc: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] YouTube play button lacks title
>
> Hi Srinivasu,
>
> Thank you for contacting the Google disability support team!
>
> I'm sorry to hear about the issues you are currently facing with YouTube. We'll do our best to help you with the issues you've raised and hopefully have a resolution for you soon. We will be submitting the following feedback to the appropriate team for review:
>
> In YouTube's default embed code the <iframe> does not have a title attribute in accordance with WCAG 2.0 AA guidelines.
> The big button in the middle of the video placeholder that acts as the play button has no accessible name (button that appears in the middle prior to playing video). Also, its nested SVG, nor its parent <div> in code have accessible names. No plain text equivalent is present for them.
>
> Please let us know if you have any additional areas of feedback and/or details to provide here and we'll be happy to add this to the report.
>
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> Thank you,
>
> Sarah
> Accessibility Product Support
> <EMAIL REMOVED>
> Monday-Friday 8am-5pm PST
>
>
>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 2:11 AM, Srinivasu Chakravarthula < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>> Hello Team Google,
>> I would like to bring this up to your attention. I would love to see bugs related to YouTube gets addressed as appropriate; I happened to have had a chance to work with YouTube on contract a few years ago. So YouTube is certainly one of my favorite products.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/
>> Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com
>>
>> Let's create an inclusive web!
>>
>> Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 12:19 AM, Jennifer Sutton < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>> Hello:
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't remember this ever *not* being the case. What I do remember is that this issue (related both to the play button and the iframe) has been raised *many* times, over the years, on a wide variety of email lists.
>>>
>>>
>>> For the most recent example of which I am aware, see this, which I just posted to WebAIM in the last few days:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://adrianroselli.com/2017/08/inaccessible-youtube-embeds.html
>>>
>>>
>>> And then this thread on the WebAIM list that resulted:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread?threadƒ12
>>>
>>>
>>> And then, this one, too:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread?threadƒ12
>>>
>>>
>>> In the end, as best I can tell, the key is to make all this more visible to Google to see if they will fix this. My hope is that the extensive bug report I cited above may result in action, but I encourage others to follow up with Google directly about this, such as by providing feedback via this form:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/accessibility/get-in-touch.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Or via any other channels you know of that might reach the right people. I know this has already been discussed on the Google Accessibility email list, so perhaps that will help, too.
>>>
>>>
>>> In general, having watched our industry for more than fifteen years, we seem to spend a lot of time talking amongst ourselves on this list (and others), but so often, it seems to me (at any rate) the right people never see.
>>>
>>>
>>> For my part, I surely do my best to pull items from this list and get them visible where they may make a difference, rather than spending my time working out wonky work-arounds. I suppose we need both kinds of action.
>>>
>>>
>>> As a "bonus," with thanks to Birkir et al, here's this that might help folks at least with filing some kinds of bug reports; as far as I know, it's still accurate. It's from CSUN 2016:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://whoseline.a11yideas.com/bugs.html
>>>
>>>
>>> And then, there's this from TPG (in case there are differences):
>>>
>>> https://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2014/06/filing-bugs/
>>>
>>>
>>> But these both focus on browser and screen readers; obviously, it would be great to have more "direct lines" to companies.
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps it would help to build a Git page somewhere to identify as many ways/places as we know to file accessibility-related bugs, so there'd be a one-stop shop. If such exists, I'd love to know of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tweeting "into the void" rarely seems to result in much action, either, as best I can tell.
>>>
>>>
>>> If anybody got this far, I'd also point out this resource, from WAI, directed toward people with disabilities, specifically. I and others did our best, but I never thought this got the visibility it deserved:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.w3.org/WAI/users/inaccessible
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Jennifer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 8/22/2017 11:03 AM, Alan Zaitchik wrote:
>>>> I don't know if this has always been the case and I never noticed until
>>>> now, or if something has changed.
>>>> I was just testing some html pages that include a YouTube video player,
>>>> and the Play button has no title or aria-label or anything. JAWS announces
>>>> it as 'unlabelled one button'. NVDA says 'Button'. I could swear that in
>>>> the past I have heard them say 'Play button' or some such label.
>>>>
>>>> We are using the following link in our HTML page:
>>>> <iframe class="media" preload="auto"
>>>> src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/87pKNfPnzug?ecver=1&amp;rel=0"
>>>> aria-label="Video Player" frameborder="0"></iframe>
>>>>
>>>> That seems normal enough.
>>>>
>>>> Why no label for the main Play button? Is there something we are missing?
>>>> Has the Youtube player changed recently so that no label is provided for
>>>> the Play button.
>>>>
>>>> I am talking about the button indicated by <button
>>>> class="ytp-large-play-button ytp-button'> deep inside the YouTube iframe.
>>>>
>>>> How can I get JAWS and NVDA to say something like 'Play button' ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> A
>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> List archives athttp://webaim.org/discussion/archives
>>>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>
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