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Re: PDF tagged or not?

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From: chagnon@pubcom.com
Date: Apr 3, 2018 9:08PM

> On 2018-04-03 11:05 AM, L Snider wrote:
> > I have run into a PDF that has tags (done in Word and then added
> > pages in InDesign or similar) in the Tag Window but the Checker says
> > it isn't tagged and the Properties box says there are no tags.

Wait, wait...
What's the workflow here?
Trying to interpret what you wrote, is it this?

1) Make the Word document.
2) Export it as a tagged PDF.
3) Place the tagged PDF into InDesign and add more pages to the InDesign document.
4) Export the whole enchilada from InDesign to a new tagged PDF.

At this time, when a PDF is placed into an InDesign layout (a.k.a. a nested PDF) and re-exported as a PDF, the nested PDF comes out as a graphic in the final PDF and is not accessible, other than treating it like a graphic and putting Alt-text on it.

At this time, this is not a valid workflow.

You can, however, import any Word document (accessible or not) into InDesign, lay out the document, and export it as a fully accessible PDF, which actually is the most common workflow for InDesign.

Question: why are you making a PDF from Word in the first place? If the content is going to be placed into InDesign, why not place/import the actual Word file?

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-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of Josh Schroder
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 12:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF tagged or not?

Hi Lisa,

That is odd, indeed. I haven't seen that one before.

Have you tested it with a screen reader to see what happens?

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of L Snider
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 10:36 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF tagged or not?

Hi Josh,

Yep, the document is tagged in that menu. That is tied I think to the properties setting, which is also a Yes for tags. It is just the checker that is off.

Odd!

Cheers

Lisa

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 10:24 AM, Josh Schroder < <EMAIL REMOVED>
> wrote:

> In Acrobat, you should be able to right click on any item in the tags
> tree, and you will see a menu item labeled "Document is Tagged PDF."
>
> You can see a screen capture of this setting here:
> https://forums.adobe.com/thread/612353
>
> This setting sets the internal flag that the document is tagged,
> regardless of whether or not it is. The flag should get set when the
> tags are added by Word or whatever authoring software, but there are
> some cases where the flag won't match up with the actual tags that are present.
>
> Josh Schroder
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf Of Philip Kiff
> Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 10:12 AM
> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF tagged or not?
>
> I think there may be an internal flag in the PDF format that
> identifies a file as tagged or not. If software doesn't play nicely
> with the PDF format, it may simply omit setting that flag? Or maybe it
> is missing or has a malformed root tag in the tag tree?
>
> Regardless of the cause, if I recall correctly, to fix this, you
> should be able to just right-click the error in Acrobat DC and select "fix"?
>
> Phil.
>
>
> On 2018-04-03 11:05 AM, L Snider wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have run into a PDF that has tags (done in Word and then added
> > pages in InDesign or similar) in the Tag Window but the Checker says
> > it isn't tagged and the Properties box says there are no tags.
> >
> > I came across this once way, way back and it could have been that
> > someone inadvertently did temporary tags through the set up
> > assistant and this caused the weirdness.
> >
> > I don't think this is the case here, but it could be. I haven't seen
> > this for a long time, so I wondered what can cause a tagged PDF to
> > be seen as not tagged? Just wondering if there are more reasons now
> > than there were years ago,
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Lisa
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