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From: Jon Gunderson
Date: Nov 13, 2003 10:34AM

Including headers (H1-H6) for section titles is also a useful way to
implement skip navigation bars. Screen readers and the Opera Browser allow
user to navigate header markup.

Jon


At 11:11 AM 11/13/2003 -0600, Jim Thatcher wrote:

>I don't think the 508 provision on skip navigation is puts the whole
>burden on the author any more than the requirement to provide text equivalents.
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>I totally agree that a structured approach makes much more sense and I
>would be delighted to see authors and browsers collaborate to provide such
>cool navigation.
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>For now, however, I look for techniques to allow users to jump around the
>page. The major screen readers and HPR have, somehow, fixed the problem I
>raised (skip links often don't work with the tab key); so you might say
>that the user agents and author team up to make it work. But often, as I
>indicated with acb.org, it doesn't work without the AT.
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>
>Jim
>
>Accessibility, What Not to do: http://jimthatcher.com/whatnot.htm.
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>Web Accessibility Tutorial:
>http://jimthatcher.com/webcourse1.htm.
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jon Gunderson [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:36 AM
>To: Jim Thatcher
>Cc: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>Subject: RE: Visible skip navigation links, was: good example
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>Jim Thatcher points out the fundamental problem with the skip
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>navigation requirement of Section 508. Putting the whole burden on the
>author will
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>always lead to browser compatibility issues. It should be a shared
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>burden. Authors should be required to use some markup like the MAP
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>element (which can use text links) to indicated collections of related
>links on a pages (often
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>there are more than one navigation bar on a page) and browsers should be
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>required to allow users to either move keyboard focus over the links
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>contained in the MAP elements or move to the first link of a navigation
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>bar. This allows for users to not only skip over navigation bars, but
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>allows them to skip to a navigation bar if they waant to go to a different
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>link.
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>Jon
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>On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Jim Thatcher wrote:
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> > Has anyone tried the visible skip link at, say, http://www.acb.org? Tab to
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> > "skip navigation links," press enter to follow the link and then tab again.
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> > Oops! My version of IE on Windows XP puts the selection back on the skip
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> > link. I believe it is a fundamental bug in IE. Basically, in-page links
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> > don't work correctly.
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> >
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> > It seems, as we discuss solutions like skipping navigation, we ought to be
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> > sure they work as expected. The frustration of navigating the web must be
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> > heightened and aggravated when presented "solutions" just don't work.
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> >
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> > There are a couple of work-arounds that I know about. Make the named
> anchor,
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> > actually an empty link - this is annoying for some but most reliable. It
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> > seems also that when the named anchor is in a table cell, then tabbing
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> > works.
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> >
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> > Jim
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> > Accessibility, What Not to do: http://jimthatcher.com/whatnot.htm.
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> > Web Accessibility Tutorial: http://jimthatcher.com/webcourse1.htm.
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> >
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> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
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> > From: Stephanie Sullivan [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
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> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:29 AM
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> > To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
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> > Subject: Re: Visible skip navigation links, was: good example
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> >
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> > on 11/13/03 8:19 AM, Karl Groves at <EMAIL REMOVED> profoundly spewed
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> > forth their very articulate thoughts:
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> >
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> > > You're saying that those with motor impairments can use the skip link
> as a
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> > > method to more quickly get to in-context links?
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> >
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> > That's what I've been trying to say... And Andrew said it SO much better...
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> > ;) Screenreaders (used mainly for sight impairment) can use both
> visual and
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> > Tom Gilder-type skip links... So can people who surf by tabbing through web
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> > pages (used mainly for motor impairment ... Or as someone else pointed out,
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> > when you break your mouse. ;).
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> >
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> > The people who DON'T have any use for a skip link are the elderly who
> use a
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> > mouse and are trying to click on the 1 x 1 skiplink (as the original
> example
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> > said)... That would not happen because a person, surfing visually, using a
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> > mouse, will not have any use for a skip link. They will place their
> mouse in
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> > the page at the place they want to go to (or link they wan to click)...
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> >
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> > This is all I've been trying to say from the beginning... ;) Thanks
> Andrew.
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> > :D
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> >
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> > Stephanie Sullivan
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Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology
Division of Rehabilitation - Education Services
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