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From: Wolfgang Berndorfer
Date: May 14, 2019 6:20AM

Wouldn’t it already clarify, if it wasn’t a link, but a refresh-*button*?
Aria-current is rather meant for a *collection of links* to inform screen
readers about something, which is somehow highlighted visually as current
already. Guess in Lucys example, there is no collection of links.
Wolfgang 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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von Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Mai 2019 01:12
An: WebAIM Discussion List
Betreff: Re: [WebAIM] links to the page they are on

This is where aria-current="page" would be handy, jut put it on the
link and the screen reader will announce "current page".
If there are visual cues that the links point to the current page yu
can make it a WCAG 1.1.1 or 1.3.1 requirement (1.1.1 if it is an icon,
1.3.1 if it is communicated through styling or formatting), that, or
that the links be neutered by removing their href attributes, but if
not it's a screen reader usability recommendation.



On 5/13/19, Lucy Greco < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> Hello:
> Let me clarify a little. I have no issue with same-page links. All the
> aforementioned reasons I agree with and would always encourage.
>
> I'm talking about those links that, when clicked, only refresh the page
you
> are on. So, for example, you are reading an article about the health care
> system, and in the body of the article there is a link to the article, and
> in the "Recently posted" footer of the article, there is a link to the
> article, and in the menu there is also is a link to the article. Each of
> these links will refresh the page and sometimes just go back to the top of
> the page, and then the user wonders why the link did not work.
>
> Thanks,
> Lucy
>
> Lucia Greco
> Web Accessibility Evangelist
> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> University of California, Berkeley
> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> Follow me on twitter @accessaces
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 8:21 AM Wolfgang Berndorfer <
> <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
>> I think, In-side links can improve usability not only for people with
>> cognitive disabilities. TOC and footmarks have already been mentioned.
>>
>> What more? Reading a web side is not like reading a novel from the
>> beginning
>> to the end. When I seek information on a side, I first try to get an
>> overview by checking available headings. If the heading text seems
>> helpful,
>> I read the subcontent. This strategy is helpful for all and highly
>> recommendable for people, who use screen readers, like me.
>>
>> If in the subcontent I inquire, topics are contained, which already have
>> been discussed on the same side, it’s very helpful, when they are linked.
>>
>> Complementary:
>> a) Metainfos for links like In-Side-Links have lately been discussed here
>> under the thread “Meta Infos necessary in links”. (Sorry: Didn’t find any
>> direct online resource on webaim for the thread.).
>> b) UX is not the same as usability. The user experience is too often bad
>> usability. No helpful headings …
>> Wolfgang
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] Im
Auftrag
>> von James A.
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 11. Mai 2019 09:22
>> An: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Betreff: Re: [WebAIM] links to the page they are on
>>
>> Hi Lucy
>>
>> In-page links can be useful in some cases for people with cognitive
>> disabilities. For example, table of contents and links to sections can
>> help
>> with orientating users and avoid unnecessary reading. The problem can
>> occur
>> if there is no means of returning to the original location on the page.
>> The
>> UK government website uses this approach well eg
>>
>>
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/accessibility-requirements-for-public-sector-web
>> sites-and-apps#contents
>>
<https://www.gov.uk/guidance/accessibility-requirements-for-public-sector-we
bsites-and-apps#contents>
>>
>> Another useful use case for many users is when there is a footnote, for
>> example to small print or terms and conditions which are frequently
>> indicated by *.
>>
>> I consider that 2.4.4 Links Purpose covers the need to ensure all users
>> understand the purpose of the link is to move within the page.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Abi James
>>
>> University of Southampton
>> Abilitynet & British Dyslexia Association
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 11 May 2019, at 01:09, Patrick H. Lauke
>> < <EMAIL REMOVED> <mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> >> wrote:
>>
>> On 11/05/2019 01:06, Lucy Greco wrote:
>> thanks for the quick reply so the cognative working group did not
think
>> this was a problem? interesting
>>
>> I can't speak for the group, but I can say that they did not put forward
>> any
>> SCs that made it into WCAG concerning this particular issue.
>>
>> P
>> --
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