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Re: why is it so hard to read the aria spec

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From: L Snider
Date: Oct 30, 2019 1:24PM

Hi James,

Thanks for the clarification. I wondered if that page was in the
middle of flux, so that is why I put the 'ifs' in my message.

Cheers

Lisa

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 3:18 PM James Nurthen < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> Lisa,
> We don't take that view. If the document structure is causing the document
> to be harder to use then we should fix that.
> When there is an issue with the spec please file an issue at
> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues
>
> I think where Peter was going is that the ARIA specification should
> probably not be the first place web developers look for ARIA information. I
> agree that the Authoring Practices document is more appropriate for most
> audiences but that doesn't mean the spec structure should not be improved.
>
> In response to this email thread Léonie filed one issue last night -
> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1108
> I won't be able to deal with it immediately as we are in the middle of
> wrapping up a release and this will require scripting changes in some of
> the supporting infrastructure but now it is logged we know that the issue
> exists.
>
> Regards,
> James
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:31 AM L Snider < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > It is interesting if they take that view, and if that is why they
> > haven't made the web page accessible...I would be curious to know if
> > that is the case. If so, that is basically saying that devs can't be
> > blind, Deaf-Blind or have low vision and use AT themselves, which is
> > far from the reality...
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Lisa
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 6:23 PM Lucy GRECO < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > >
> > > peter that does nt mean that the document it self should not be layed
> > > out in a way that makes it more accessible and useable why why why is
> > there
> > > so many headings with the text of note this kind of brakes the hole point
> > > of navigating by hedding
> > > Lucia Greco
> > > Web Accessibility Evangelist
> > > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> > > University of California, Berkeley
> > > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> > > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> > > Follow me on twitter @accessaces
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:08 PM Peter Krautzberger <
> > <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Lucy,
> > > >
> > > > While the ARIA WG is definitely aware that the spec's readability can
> > be
> > > > improved, the main challenge is probably that the ARIA spec is not
> > > > primarily meant for authors but for browser and AT developers.
> > > >
> > > > To quote the overview at [1]:
> > > >
> > > > "WAI-ARIA 1.1 technical specification [...] is primarily for
> > developers of
> > > > Web browsers, assistive technologies, and other user agents;
> > developers of
> > > > Web technologies (technical specifications); and developers of
> > > > accessibility evaluation tools."
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Peter.
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/aria/
> > > >
> > > > Am Di., 29. Okt. 2019 um 21:11 Uhr schrieb Lucy GRECO <
> > <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > > > >:
> > > >
> > > > > this is the page I was looking at
> > > > > https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#note
> > > > >
> > > > > yes your link was easy to read much better but i never found the
> > role
> > > > of
> > > > > note there will look more later
> > > > > Lucia Greco
> > > > > Web Accessibility Evangelist
> > > > > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> > > > > University of California, Berkeley
> > > > > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> > > > > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> > > > > Follow me on twitter @accessaces
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:00 PM Colin Osterhout <
> > <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Have you checked out the WAI-ARIA Authoring Practices
> > > > > > <https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/> as a more
> > practical
> > > > > guide
> > > > > > to authoring using ARIA?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Colin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 11:46 AM Lucy GRECO < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > hello: i just was sent a link to to a part of the aria spec and
> > i
> > > > have
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > say that was a reely horrendous task to read and i never did find
> > > > what
> > > > > i
> > > > > > > needed.
> > > > > > > wile looking throu the page i saw at least 4 heddings at h4
> > that
> > > > said
> > > > > > > note and i stoped looking at 5 h5 that also were labled note. for
> > > > > crying
> > > > > > > out lowd can't we make this stuff better to read
> > > > > > > Lucia Greco
> > > > > > > Web Accessibility Evangelist
> > > > > > > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> > > > > > > University of California, Berkeley
> > > > > > > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> > > > > > > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> > > > > > > Follow me on twitter @accessaces
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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