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Re: why is it so hard to read the aria spec

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From: James Nurthen
Date: Oct 30, 2019 3:50PM

Sorry I don't.
I wasn't very involved in DPUB-ARIA. Digital Publishing folks would
probably know better than me.


On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 2:18 PM Lucy GRECO < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> that does look like what we need to use thanks. however do you have a
> working example so i can test and see how it behaves with AT.
> Lucia Greco
> Web Accessibility Evangelist
> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> University of California, Berkeley
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>
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 1:55 PM James Nurthen < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > Lucy,
> > The notes are marked as role=note in the Editor's Draft. They were not at
> > the time ARIA 1.1 was published nor in the current Working Draft of ARIA
> > 1.2. We cannot modify specifications once they are published but the next
> > working draft of ARIA 1.2 should include this fix.
> >
> > For footnotes I'd recommend the role=doc-footnote -
> > https://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-aria-1.0/#doc-footnote - this is what it is
> > intended for.
> >
> > Regards,
> > James
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 1:26 PM Lucy GRECO < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >
> > > hello:
> > > sadly i think the answer it self is in the thing i was actually
> looking
> > > for. if these were notes and every thing indicates that they were why
> are
> > > they them selves not marked up as the vary role i was trying to
> > > understand.
> > >
> > > the problem with your comment about looking back up at the h3 before
> the
> > > h4 works only so far.. what if that h3 it self is note witch yes i did
> > find
> > > that. sadly.
> > > sadly all this came up because i wanted to find the best way to have
> a
> > > text book application creat foot notes. we first thought that
> > complementary
> > > would work but found it had a bug when beeing implemented in that the
> > > screenreader did not let the user know when the foot note ended and the
> > > main content began. so i whent to the screen reader and asked them to
> fix
> > > and they said its by design. and suggested note be used in sted.
> and i
> > > still don't understand what the perpus of note is. after all this
> > > conversation. lucy
> > > Lucia Greco
> > > Web Accessibility Evangelist
> > > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> > > University of California, Berkeley
> > > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> > > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 1:09 PM Patrick H. Lauke <
> <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 29/10/2019 19:45, Lucy GRECO wrote:
> > > > > hello: i just was sent a link to to a part of the aria spec and i
> > have
> > > > to
> > > > > say that was a reely horrendous task to read and i never did find
> > what
> > > i
> > > > > needed.
> > > > > wile looking throu the page i saw at least 4 heddings at h4 that
> > > said
> > > > > note and i stoped looking at 5 h5 that also were labled note. for
> > > crying
> > > > > out lowd can't we make this stuff better to read
> > > >
> > > > I'd say though that the ARIA spec has, by its very nature, a fairly
> > deep
> > > > and complex structure to begin with, going down to main section
> > headings
> > > > at h2, h3 and even h4. Notes are then given their own heading, and it
> > > > then happens to end up with lots of h4s and h5s with that heading
> text.
> > > > While in isolation those headings are probably confusing, they do
> take
> > > > their context from their parent heading. So if you come across an h4
> > > > titled "Note" it's worth looking at the preceding h3 to understand
> the
> > > > context under which that note lives (lest somebody got the impression
> > > > that headings need to make sense out of context and in isolation
> > > > themselves).
> > > >
> > > > P
> > > > --
> > > > Patrick H. Lauke
> > > >
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